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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 185567" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>Terry, you said, "I think the panty thing is a developmental issue and he will outgrow it, or at least, it will not affect his heterosexuality."</p><p></p><p>It's the other way around. The panty thing isn't going to affect his sexuality; if anything, it would be the other way around (if there is ANY connection with sexuality). It would be his sexuality causing/influencing the panty thing, if anything.</p><p></p><p>But it could be something completely independent.</p><p></p><p>Also, hormonally the effects on sexuality are something that is believed to happen before birth, in the development of the brain. It is influenced by fluctuating hormone levels in the mother's blood then modifying to an unknown extent the development of the brain. </p><p></p><p>Once the kids are born, let alone on the edge of puberty, what's done is done. While some may have some degree of curiosity or choice, homosexuality generally isn't a matter of personal choice. It's a matter of how your brain was programmed, long ago. From my reading, a male homosexual brain doesn't put out different hormones, but in some cases it can respond to hormones differently to a heterosexual male brain. </p><p></p><p>Human behaviour, including sexual behaviour and sexual preference, is very complex and involves multiple systems. </p><p></p><p>If you're concerned however that there could be some hormonal defect then by all means ask for some tests to be done. But I doubt it would affect his behaviour in this way. </p><p></p><p>For example, I noticed back when I was 20 and had never been pregnant, that I was producing a small amount of milk. I was very shy about it, it took some months for me to see a doctor about it. I didn't need to see an endocrinologist because a GP was able to order the tests he felt were needed, to rule out possible nasty conditions. The first thing he ordered was serum prolactin levels. They were above normal. Next test - why? The worst case scenario was a tumour in the pituitary, which could have been connected to a few nasty conditions. Back then the best test was a skull X-ray because the pituitary nestles in a tiny bony depression on the cross-hairs between the ears and directly behind the eyes. A pituitary tumour would deform the bony depression.</p><p>Mine was normal.</p><p></p><p>So the doctor said there was no need to do anything, I wasn't producing enough milk for it to be a big problem for me. It just mean that when I eventually had kids, I had enough milk to feed an orphanage.</p><p></p><p>Even though I had raised prolactin levels, I was otherwise feeling normal. I didn't have a burning desire to grab every kid I saw and breastfeed it. My behaviour was fairly straightforward.</p><p></p><p>In the same way, if you take the serum blood levels of the most effeminate gay male you can find, it is highly likely that his hormone levels will be boringly normal, even his testosterone. Maybe especially his testosterone!</p><p></p><p>The Olympics are perhaps a topical case in point. Seeing very tall basketball players reminds me of the hormonal disorder, pituitary giantism. It's where a pituitary tumour (this time causing excess Growth Hormone secretion, not the prolactin-secreting one they were looking for with me) is present before puberty and leads to the child continuing to grow, into adulthood, with the bony end-pates not closing over. And so height continues to increase.</p><p>But if the tumour is removed or blocked in any way, the excess Growth Hormone is dealt with and the person stops growing. But once tall, they won't shrink again. The person is now taller than they would have been.</p><p></p><p>Injections of Growth Hormone would be banned by the Olympics, but I'm not sure of the status of someone who had a naturally-occurring growth hormone-secreting tumour which has bee surgically cured. Why should they be penalised? The only advantage it gives is height; there are disadvantages which could outweigh the height. And if you did a blood test on them once cured, their Growth Hormone levels would be normal (maybe even lower than normal). </p><p></p><p>Has this explained it better, or been more confusing?</p><p></p><p>Endocrinology is fascinating. </p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 185567, member: 1991"] Terry, you said, "I think the panty thing is a developmental issue and he will outgrow it, or at least, it will not affect his heterosexuality." It's the other way around. The panty thing isn't going to affect his sexuality; if anything, it would be the other way around (if there is ANY connection with sexuality). It would be his sexuality causing/influencing the panty thing, if anything. But it could be something completely independent. Also, hormonally the effects on sexuality are something that is believed to happen before birth, in the development of the brain. It is influenced by fluctuating hormone levels in the mother's blood then modifying to an unknown extent the development of the brain. Once the kids are born, let alone on the edge of puberty, what's done is done. While some may have some degree of curiosity or choice, homosexuality generally isn't a matter of personal choice. It's a matter of how your brain was programmed, long ago. From my reading, a male homosexual brain doesn't put out different hormones, but in some cases it can respond to hormones differently to a heterosexual male brain. Human behaviour, including sexual behaviour and sexual preference, is very complex and involves multiple systems. If you're concerned however that there could be some hormonal defect then by all means ask for some tests to be done. But I doubt it would affect his behaviour in this way. For example, I noticed back when I was 20 and had never been pregnant, that I was producing a small amount of milk. I was very shy about it, it took some months for me to see a doctor about it. I didn't need to see an endocrinologist because a GP was able to order the tests he felt were needed, to rule out possible nasty conditions. The first thing he ordered was serum prolactin levels. They were above normal. Next test - why? The worst case scenario was a tumour in the pituitary, which could have been connected to a few nasty conditions. Back then the best test was a skull X-ray because the pituitary nestles in a tiny bony depression on the cross-hairs between the ears and directly behind the eyes. A pituitary tumour would deform the bony depression. Mine was normal. So the doctor said there was no need to do anything, I wasn't producing enough milk for it to be a big problem for me. It just mean that when I eventually had kids, I had enough milk to feed an orphanage. Even though I had raised prolactin levels, I was otherwise feeling normal. I didn't have a burning desire to grab every kid I saw and breastfeed it. My behaviour was fairly straightforward. In the same way, if you take the serum blood levels of the most effeminate gay male you can find, it is highly likely that his hormone levels will be boringly normal, even his testosterone. Maybe especially his testosterone! The Olympics are perhaps a topical case in point. Seeing very tall basketball players reminds me of the hormonal disorder, pituitary giantism. It's where a pituitary tumour (this time causing excess Growth Hormone secretion, not the prolactin-secreting one they were looking for with me) is present before puberty and leads to the child continuing to grow, into adulthood, with the bony end-pates not closing over. And so height continues to increase. But if the tumour is removed or blocked in any way, the excess Growth Hormone is dealt with and the person stops growing. But once tall, they won't shrink again. The person is now taller than they would have been. Injections of Growth Hormone would be banned by the Olympics, but I'm not sure of the status of someone who had a naturally-occurring growth hormone-secreting tumour which has bee surgically cured. Why should they be penalised? The only advantage it gives is height; there are disadvantages which could outweigh the height. And if you did a blood test on them once cured, their Growth Hormone levels would be normal (maybe even lower than normal). Has this explained it better, or been more confusing? Endocrinology is fascinating. Marg [/QUOTE]
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