Welcome Twinners!!! I am glad to see that you filled out a signature. You will find that with-o the signature on the bottom of posts we tend to ask the same questions over and over (largely because all the dealings with our difficult children leave us with mushy brains!). I really and truly appreciate the apology to WSM. I know it is not easy to apologize and here on this board sometimes we can get defensive. Many many times we have each endured various kinds of judgment of our kids, family, parenting, ourselves as people, and so much more. It is REALLY easy to fall into the trap that got you. So many many people just have no idea how bad things can get within a family before we can get our kids the help they need. Often times our kids cannot be helped while they live with the family. In my own situation my difficult child (Wiz for his obsessions with role playing games and magic) was very violent. Directed at his little sister or me almost exclusively. I had to do something I had always thought I would NEVER have to do. I had my son taken out of our home by the Sheriff because no one will beat me or my daughter. No one. I got blessed. My parents took Wiz into their home. Somehow they managed to get through to him and help him turn things around. It may be tootin' my own horn, but Wiz is one of the biggest success stories I have ever heard of for our kids!! MOST of his success came from info and support that I got on this board. Anyway, that gives you a little perspective on how one family had to do the unthinkable and how it turned out to be the best thing that could have happened. Thanks for the apology! I would love to hear all about your family!