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<blockquote data-quote="GoingNorth" data-source="post: 682794" data-attributes="member: 1963"><p>No, and I researched those products THOROUGHLY, to the point that I knew what brain receptors and enzymes were involved.</p><p></p><p>Spice is "herbs" treated with any number of synthetic cannabinoids. The synthetics used change as the laws change. You literally have no idea what Chinese chemical you are smoking when you use the stuff, and it is addictive.</p><p></p><p>Salvia has been around forever: one of the plants used by indigenous peoples for religious purposes. It offers a short and possibly the most extreme psychedelic high. The high is so intense that there is a risk of psychotic break.</p><p></p><p>Because one never knows WHAT one is smoking with spice, there is no way for medical personnel to devise a specific treatment for ODs and freakouts. All they can do is sedate and treat any negative symptoms while providing supportive care and hoping for the best.</p><p></p><p>Now, I am bipolar. I've also used all the psychedelics available in the 70s, except for some of the esoteric "shamanistic" drugs, carefully and under supervision of sober "sitters". I have NO desire to try modern psychedelics, and in fact,my medications would block the action of them, as both affect the dopamine system in the brain.</p><p></p><p>Salvia isn't addictive, but it can literally blow your mind. I think spice has been made illegal overall in many states now, as opposed to before where they'd make the specific synthetic cannabinoid it contained illegal, which just led to the mfrs changing chemicals to one not yet illegal.</p><p></p><p>I am hoping that happens, along with a blanket ban on "research chemicals", which are analogues of popular drugs of abuse made by slightly altering chemical formulae and hoping the new drugs provide a similar high. Many, many people have died or been left crippled physically or mentally, by RCs. The fentanyl used to cut heroin and now street oxy, is most often an analogue RC of the pharmaceutical drug. It's killed a lot of recreation users and addicts.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GoingNorth, post: 682794, member: 1963"] No, and I researched those products THOROUGHLY, to the point that I knew what brain receptors and enzymes were involved. Spice is "herbs" treated with any number of synthetic cannabinoids. The synthetics used change as the laws change. You literally have no idea what Chinese chemical you are smoking when you use the stuff, and it is addictive. Salvia has been around forever: one of the plants used by indigenous peoples for religious purposes. It offers a short and possibly the most extreme psychedelic high. The high is so intense that there is a risk of psychotic break. Because one never knows WHAT one is smoking with spice, there is no way for medical personnel to devise a specific treatment for ODs and freakouts. All they can do is sedate and treat any negative symptoms while providing supportive care and hoping for the best. Now, I am bipolar. I've also used all the psychedelics available in the 70s, except for some of the esoteric "shamanistic" drugs, carefully and under supervision of sober "sitters". I have NO desire to try modern psychedelics, and in fact,my medications would block the action of them, as both affect the dopamine system in the brain. Salvia isn't addictive, but it can literally blow your mind. I think spice has been made illegal overall in many states now, as opposed to before where they'd make the specific synthetic cannabinoid it contained illegal, which just led to the mfrs changing chemicals to one not yet illegal. I am hoping that happens, along with a blanket ban on "research chemicals", which are analogues of popular drugs of abuse made by slightly altering chemical formulae and hoping the new drugs provide a similar high. Many, many people have died or been left crippled physically or mentally, by RCs. The fentanyl used to cut heroin and now street oxy, is most often an analogue RC of the pharmaceutical drug. It's killed a lot of recreation users and addicts. [/QUOTE]
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