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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 189922" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Terry,</p><p>Bipolar and Aspergers are often mistaken for one another, but they are NOT virtually identical. THere are huge differences. It's just that psychiatrists often don't know this (Aspergers was not really "discovered" until ten years ago, so many psychs are just not "up" on it). Here are some of the differences.</p><p></p><p>1/Aspies often don't have moodswings or major moodswings. They shouldn't have serious sleep issues or get manic. Some tend to get a little depressed. Rage triggers, IF there are rages with Aspies, are normally due to serious anxiety over changes in routine or even room changes and high frustration with not "getting" people or life in general. Sensory issues can start rages in younger Aspies--having to wear socks that "feel funny" or eat textures of foods they can't tolerate (they may even vomit). Noises that don't seem loud to us may drive Aspies nuts; they may think they are too loud and claim headaches and start crying. Mine did that. They also have serious social issues. Bipolar kids are often very friendly and outgoing, although they antagonize other kids if they are manic or depressed. They are far moodier and their rages are often unpredictable (I have bipolar and had it as a kid). They say "no" just to be contrary, but the real reason behind that is that they are so unhappy and confused that the thrill of a confrontation with Mom can actually let off a lot of steam. But most hate themselves after a rage and feel crazy and remorseful. Aspies do not rage for the same reasons--they don't enjoy the "High" of high stimuli. In fact it is very uncomfortable for him. </p><p></p><p>2/Bipolar kids repeat mistakes because of their out-of-control moodswings and impulse control issues, especially when manic. Their minds race 100 miles a minute. Aspies often need to be taught rules in different ways and it HAS to make sense to the Aspie for the Aspie to decide it's worth following the rule. "Because I said so" is useless to an Aspie. "If you steal, you will go to jail" and showing them jail would probably work well with an Aspie. They are NOT driven by their moodswings, but by their "different" thinking. in my opinion they are far easier than mood disordered kids (as one who was a mood-disordered kid). </p><p></p><p>3/Aspies who get good interventions don't always need medications. 50&#37; don't take any. My son doesn't. If an Aspie needs serious medications it often means there is a co-diagnosis. Or else the Aspie isn't getting interventions that help him understand people and life, and those are major stressors for an Aspie. Or the parent doesn't "get" HIM and tries convetional discipline. Won't work for an Aspie because they think differently. Won't work for a bipolar kid either if he is not stable on medications because he or she can not control her moods and will easily lose control. Different reasons here.</p><p></p><p>I lost count so I'm not putting a number down...lol. </p><p>Aspies have a really good prognosis of improvement IF they get a lot of interventions and the earlier the better. </p><p>Bipolar is tougher. IT tends to get worse, especially with the wrong medication and increased cycling. I noticed an increase at around 13 and it was NOT fun for me (or my parents who had to deal with my acting out). Bipolar kids do not improve just with interventions. They need medication. As soon as I got on the right medications, I didn't even seem to need much therapy...but without the right medications even knowing the triggers or understanding myself a lot didn't help...my moods controlled me. </p><p>It is important to know if you have Aspergers or bipolar. They are two completely different diagnosis. that often get mistaken for one another. And what works for an Aspie doesn't work for a bipolar (or a mood-disordered child) and vice versa.</p><p></p><p>What they have in common: Anxiety (with bipolar kids it is often phobias however--with Aspies it is CHANGE a lot); they can both seem moody. With Aspies it makes more sense when they are moody. With bipolar "Moody" just happens. Bipolar kids can be suicidal. Aspie kids can too, but their suicide rate is a lot lower and they don't get into illegal drugs as much as bipolars (80% folks--I didn't though!). Aspies are often dogmatic rule followers and non-rebellious. I don't have to tell anyone with bipolar or who has a bipolar kid then, um, they tend to rebel.</p><p>I hope this blathering made a LITTLE sense...lol. Nothing is set in stone, but these are two very different conditions. Ten yeras ago, when my son was five, nobody knew about Aspergers. That's why I believe he was so grossly diagnosed. It's still new. </p><p>Do a lot of reading yourself so you have an idea what seems to "click." I believe in "Mom Gut" <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> Take care.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 189922, member: 1550"] Terry, Bipolar and Aspergers are often mistaken for one another, but they are NOT virtually identical. THere are huge differences. It's just that psychiatrists often don't know this (Aspergers was not really "discovered" until ten years ago, so many psychs are just not "up" on it). Here are some of the differences. 1/Aspies often don't have moodswings or major moodswings. They shouldn't have serious sleep issues or get manic. Some tend to get a little depressed. Rage triggers, IF there are rages with Aspies, are normally due to serious anxiety over changes in routine or even room changes and high frustration with not "getting" people or life in general. Sensory issues can start rages in younger Aspies--having to wear socks that "feel funny" or eat textures of foods they can't tolerate (they may even vomit). Noises that don't seem loud to us may drive Aspies nuts; they may think they are too loud and claim headaches and start crying. Mine did that. They also have serious social issues. Bipolar kids are often very friendly and outgoing, although they antagonize other kids if they are manic or depressed. They are far moodier and their rages are often unpredictable (I have bipolar and had it as a kid). They say "no" just to be contrary, but the real reason behind that is that they are so unhappy and confused that the thrill of a confrontation with Mom can actually let off a lot of steam. But most hate themselves after a rage and feel crazy and remorseful. Aspies do not rage for the same reasons--they don't enjoy the "High" of high stimuli. In fact it is very uncomfortable for him. 2/Bipolar kids repeat mistakes because of their out-of-control moodswings and impulse control issues, especially when manic. Their minds race 100 miles a minute. Aspies often need to be taught rules in different ways and it HAS to make sense to the Aspie for the Aspie to decide it's worth following the rule. "Because I said so" is useless to an Aspie. "If you steal, you will go to jail" and showing them jail would probably work well with an Aspie. They are NOT driven by their moodswings, but by their "different" thinking. in my opinion they are far easier than mood disordered kids (as one who was a mood-disordered kid). 3/Aspies who get good interventions don't always need medications. 50% don't take any. My son doesn't. If an Aspie needs serious medications it often means there is a co-diagnosis. Or else the Aspie isn't getting interventions that help him understand people and life, and those are major stressors for an Aspie. Or the parent doesn't "get" HIM and tries convetional discipline. Won't work for an Aspie because they think differently. Won't work for a bipolar kid either if he is not stable on medications because he or she can not control her moods and will easily lose control. Different reasons here. I lost count so I'm not putting a number down...lol. Aspies have a really good prognosis of improvement IF they get a lot of interventions and the earlier the better. Bipolar is tougher. IT tends to get worse, especially with the wrong medication and increased cycling. I noticed an increase at around 13 and it was NOT fun for me (or my parents who had to deal with my acting out). Bipolar kids do not improve just with interventions. They need medication. As soon as I got on the right medications, I didn't even seem to need much therapy...but without the right medications even knowing the triggers or understanding myself a lot didn't help...my moods controlled me. It is important to know if you have Aspergers or bipolar. They are two completely different diagnosis. that often get mistaken for one another. And what works for an Aspie doesn't work for a bipolar (or a mood-disordered child) and vice versa. What they have in common: Anxiety (with bipolar kids it is often phobias however--with Aspies it is CHANGE a lot); they can both seem moody. With Aspies it makes more sense when they are moody. With bipolar "Moody" just happens. Bipolar kids can be suicidal. Aspie kids can too, but their suicide rate is a lot lower and they don't get into illegal drugs as much as bipolars (80% folks--I didn't though!). Aspies are often dogmatic rule followers and non-rebellious. I don't have to tell anyone with bipolar or who has a bipolar kid then, um, they tend to rebel. I hope this blathering made a LITTLE sense...lol. Nothing is set in stone, but these are two very different conditions. Ten yeras ago, when my son was five, nobody knew about Aspergers. That's why I believe he was so grossly diagnosed. It's still new. Do a lot of reading yourself so you have an idea what seems to "click." I believe in "Mom Gut" :) Take care. [/QUOTE]
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