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<blockquote data-quote="Star*" data-source="post: 548040" data-attributes="member: 4964"><p>Okay - here's my thought - example - locally - and it DID make a HUGE impact on the way things have happened here in Columbia. </p><p></p><p>Google Carter Strange beating in 5 points, columbia sc. And then Tyheem Henry and the gang of 8. </p><p></p><p>Carter was beaten by 8 youths varying in age from 13-19. </p><p>He was nearly killed - he's had to have his face reconstructed. </p><p></p><p>If this were an infamous case? If Tyheem could have afforded a criminal attorney or if someone had stepped forward and volunteered to represent him in court - you could say that Tyheem was mentally ill. WHAT right-minded person leads 7 other kids in an attack on one, skinny kid and beats him for no reason. Carter was robbed - but he didn't fit the look of someone who would have a great deal of money on him. The beating was brutal - BUT there had been MANY, MANY beatings in our community -and they were white on white, black on black, white on black, black on white - didn't matter - color had little to do with anything. This was STUPIDITY. NO ONE tried to make this a hate crime. WHat was different is THIS time pictures were released, footage and someone kept the story alive because BULLYING needed to go. </p><p></p><p>WHen the judge handed down the sentence? I dont know ONE single person that didn't gasp. FIFTEEN YEARS in prison. Had the other youths been older - they would be in prison not Department of Juvenile Justice also. </p><p></p><p>NOW we can take a look at Tyheem. Disect his past, his mental health, and his life, family, what he did get, what he didn't get as a child. Doesn't change the fact that he is SO lucky he didn't beat this kid to death. </p><p></p><p>WHAT IS apparent is that FIGHTING in Columbia and assault? Are at an ALL TIME LOW. (check that) all time low. Where they used to be commonplace. WHY? Because this judge was pro=active in making sure the maximum was given under the law, and didn't go with - what happened to Mr. Henry in his life. </p><p></p><p>How does this tie to Aurora co? Well - </p><p></p><p>I don't think this joker guy is truly schizophrenic. Is he mental? Well heck yeah. You don't do what he did and be in your right mind. BUT he was seeing a doctor, did NOT show ANY signs that a true schizophrenic could hide from a trained professional. So in that I have to wonder - DID he just get a whopping dose of voices in his head (not meant to make light at all)? I do know schizophrenics. I lived with someone who had MPD and schizophrenia - and he is a scary person, cabaple of unstable acts. I also know lots of schizophrenics that are medicated and will call and say - I'm not right - I need help - I'm a schizophrenic - please help me I need to get to the doctor before....(X). So there IS and ARE moments of lucidity in the minds I believe where they can STILL make choices. His choice was to drive to a public place and do mass killing. </p><p></p><p>Im finding it hard to connect him to people that go off the deep end of a schizophrenic cycle, with bizzare behavior - because right after the shooting - he wasn't struggling or trying to say NO I didn't do anythign wrong..More like - OH okay you caught me. If you were not in your right mind and 10 SWAT guys were trying to take you down? WOuldn't you struggle wondering WHAT in the world did I just do? </p><p></p><p>I may be wrong about him - but even if he IS rehabbed for 40 years and were to be released into society - after that length of time you're institutionalized and not able to function in the free world. If he stays in prison and they do make his mind right (considering) then what kind of a life will he have to face when he is lucid and realizes he's the largest mass killer wtih a handgun on american soil? That alone would take him another 120 years and unless he's a very faith based person I'm not sure he'd survive it. </p><p></p><p>Either way? There is no win/win for anyone here. The forgiveness may come, but the forgetting will never go away. And it would take an INCREDIBLE movement in our world for everyone directly affected by this mans evil to come to him, and say "We forgive you, we love you, we want to see you get well, and we're behind your progress." Humans just aren't built that way - we have to work hard at that all our lives. If ever. </p><p></p><p>I dunno Janet - Im just glad that burden isn't mine. But if he does come out as schizo - everyone that is diagnosis with schizophrenia will NEVER EVER be looked at the same way again - and possibly never get the proper help they need. People will hear SCHIZO and freak and innocent people could get hurt - especially the ones that really are seeking help = or live next door to you - they won't be viewed the same by people that have little knowledge of mental health issues like us. OR forgiving. Again - just no good outcome here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Star*, post: 548040, member: 4964"] Okay - here's my thought - example - locally - and it DID make a HUGE impact on the way things have happened here in Columbia. Google Carter Strange beating in 5 points, columbia sc. And then Tyheem Henry and the gang of 8. Carter was beaten by 8 youths varying in age from 13-19. He was nearly killed - he's had to have his face reconstructed. If this were an infamous case? If Tyheem could have afforded a criminal attorney or if someone had stepped forward and volunteered to represent him in court - you could say that Tyheem was mentally ill. WHAT right-minded person leads 7 other kids in an attack on one, skinny kid and beats him for no reason. Carter was robbed - but he didn't fit the look of someone who would have a great deal of money on him. The beating was brutal - BUT there had been MANY, MANY beatings in our community -and they were white on white, black on black, white on black, black on white - didn't matter - color had little to do with anything. This was STUPIDITY. NO ONE tried to make this a hate crime. WHat was different is THIS time pictures were released, footage and someone kept the story alive because BULLYING needed to go. WHen the judge handed down the sentence? I dont know ONE single person that didn't gasp. FIFTEEN YEARS in prison. Had the other youths been older - they would be in prison not Department of Juvenile Justice also. NOW we can take a look at Tyheem. Disect his past, his mental health, and his life, family, what he did get, what he didn't get as a child. Doesn't change the fact that he is SO lucky he didn't beat this kid to death. WHAT IS apparent is that FIGHTING in Columbia and assault? Are at an ALL TIME LOW. (check that) all time low. Where they used to be commonplace. WHY? Because this judge was pro=active in making sure the maximum was given under the law, and didn't go with - what happened to Mr. Henry in his life. How does this tie to Aurora co? Well - I don't think this joker guy is truly schizophrenic. Is he mental? Well heck yeah. You don't do what he did and be in your right mind. BUT he was seeing a doctor, did NOT show ANY signs that a true schizophrenic could hide from a trained professional. So in that I have to wonder - DID he just get a whopping dose of voices in his head (not meant to make light at all)? I do know schizophrenics. I lived with someone who had MPD and schizophrenia - and he is a scary person, cabaple of unstable acts. I also know lots of schizophrenics that are medicated and will call and say - I'm not right - I need help - I'm a schizophrenic - please help me I need to get to the doctor before....(X). So there IS and ARE moments of lucidity in the minds I believe where they can STILL make choices. His choice was to drive to a public place and do mass killing. Im finding it hard to connect him to people that go off the deep end of a schizophrenic cycle, with bizzare behavior - because right after the shooting - he wasn't struggling or trying to say NO I didn't do anythign wrong..More like - OH okay you caught me. If you were not in your right mind and 10 SWAT guys were trying to take you down? WOuldn't you struggle wondering WHAT in the world did I just do? I may be wrong about him - but even if he IS rehabbed for 40 years and were to be released into society - after that length of time you're institutionalized and not able to function in the free world. If he stays in prison and they do make his mind right (considering) then what kind of a life will he have to face when he is lucid and realizes he's the largest mass killer wtih a handgun on american soil? That alone would take him another 120 years and unless he's a very faith based person I'm not sure he'd survive it. Either way? There is no win/win for anyone here. The forgiveness may come, but the forgetting will never go away. And it would take an INCREDIBLE movement in our world for everyone directly affected by this mans evil to come to him, and say "We forgive you, we love you, we want to see you get well, and we're behind your progress." Humans just aren't built that way - we have to work hard at that all our lives. If ever. I dunno Janet - Im just glad that burden isn't mine. But if he does come out as schizo - everyone that is diagnosis with schizophrenia will NEVER EVER be looked at the same way again - and possibly never get the proper help they need. People will hear SCHIZO and freak and innocent people could get hurt - especially the ones that really are seeking help = or live next door to you - they won't be viewed the same by people that have little knowledge of mental health issues like us. OR forgiving. Again - just no good outcome here. [/QUOTE]
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