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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 741106" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>I dont think that legally a sibling can be named a guardian. Guardianship hapens in court. Disabled people have rights too. My autistic son is now seen as not needing a guardian any longer and court agreed and getting one requires that the adult is deemed disabled tobTHAT point by the legal system My daughter would gladly be Sonics guardian and will be there to advise him and has even said he can live with her family, but HE likes his apartment alone and the system is working for him. He feels more mainstram without a guardian. Judges are loathe ro give guardianship and no guardian can force an adult to listen to their wishes. Its not like that. We can get information but we cant force treatment. </p><p></p><p>Those in supported living homes have rules to follow or they cant stay. I know that violence is prohibited. Drug use. </p><p></p><p>A few of our mentally ill live in nursing homes where the care level is higher. Again, there are rules in order to stay there. There is from what I hear universal no violence, at least in the places here. You cant violate the rights of those orhers who also live there.</p><p></p><p>A payee is easier to legally get than a guardian and more important in my opinion but again the person himself has a say. I know many with payees (none and most like having them. They are all on SSI or SSDI and most live in either group homes voluntarily or cheap apartments on Section 8. </p><p></p><p>My son loves his apartment in subsidized housing in a very safe neighborhood. Nobody bothers him and he only pays 1/3 of his income and utilities are covered. But autism is not an iffy diagnosis in the eyes of the court system. You want help and follow the rules of the home, you get help. Yet independence too. He does call his case manager if he needs extra help. He is set for when we are gone. </p><p></p><p> But in the 60s when the mentally ill were put out of hospitals and in the streets people with mental illness rather than say other disabilities like autism lost their main place to stay. Got civil rights even if they cant figure out how to care for themselves.</p><p></p><p>If a mentally ill person doesnt want a guardian or to live in one of the area group homes and wont take medications or follow rules, then the person is very sadly on his own. Nobody can force the mentally ill to get treatment. Drug abuse is also a part of this. </p><p></p><p>Maybe all states offer different services. I volunteer with the younger mentally ill in Wisconsin and if they use drugs they are not allowed to stay in state funded homes or apartments. There are rules you must follow.</p><p></p><p>SSI or SSDI is mandatory here for ANY hands on services which means the adult must apply. We cant. And they can refuse services they dont like.</p><p></p><p>I hate our system but to my knowledge, which is vast at least in Illinois and WI, there are rules and people have rights. Just like they can refuse medications at age 12. They can refuse help. Yes, I think it is barbaric.</p><p></p><p>Maybe more progressive states on the coasts have better services, although I believe that the mrntally ill having rights is Federal but I dont know for sure.Check out what you CAN do with a lawyer. We have a special needs account for Sonic when we are gone or else he would have too much money to keep his services. This is important to do. If the adult has more than a set amount of money, all services are lost unless the inherited money is in a special account. We have his payee in charge of that too.</p><p></p><p>This whole issue is a blight on our country in my opinion but we have to follow the rules. More importantly they have to...our adult kids. Even if they are psychotic and cant. They have rights and can refuse treatment. This includes my son but he is compliant.</p><p></p><p>Check your state. As tou always remind the rest of us there are variations in state rules/laws. In Wisconsin our conservative govenor is tring to cut disability services. He hasnt yet but rules change too. I feel safe with my son having an autism diagnosis, but mental illness, which autism is not, is more in peril.</p><p></p><p>I think letting mentally ill adults, especially with psychosis, go free on the streets is the same as Alzheimers patients doing so....but nobody asked me.</p><p></p><p>This is a major issue. Check your state disability rights/laws. Of course if your kid moves he may move to different rules too. I have no idea.</p><p></p><p>Leave no stone unturned. </p><p></p><p>Love and.light!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 741106, member: 1550"] I dont think that legally a sibling can be named a guardian. Guardianship hapens in court. Disabled people have rights too. My autistic son is now seen as not needing a guardian any longer and court agreed and getting one requires that the adult is deemed disabled tobTHAT point by the legal system My daughter would gladly be Sonics guardian and will be there to advise him and has even said he can live with her family, but HE likes his apartment alone and the system is working for him. He feels more mainstram without a guardian. Judges are loathe ro give guardianship and no guardian can force an adult to listen to their wishes. Its not like that. We can get information but we cant force treatment. Those in supported living homes have rules to follow or they cant stay. I know that violence is prohibited. Drug use. A few of our mentally ill live in nursing homes where the care level is higher. Again, there are rules in order to stay there. There is from what I hear universal no violence, at least in the places here. You cant violate the rights of those orhers who also live there. A payee is easier to legally get than a guardian and more important in my opinion but again the person himself has a say. I know many with payees (none and most like having them. They are all on SSI or SSDI and most live in either group homes voluntarily or cheap apartments on Section 8. My son loves his apartment in subsidized housing in a very safe neighborhood. Nobody bothers him and he only pays 1/3 of his income and utilities are covered. But autism is not an iffy diagnosis in the eyes of the court system. You want help and follow the rules of the home, you get help. Yet independence too. He does call his case manager if he needs extra help. He is set for when we are gone. But in the 60s when the mentally ill were put out of hospitals and in the streets people with mental illness rather than say other disabilities like autism lost their main place to stay. Got civil rights even if they cant figure out how to care for themselves. If a mentally ill person doesnt want a guardian or to live in one of the area group homes and wont take medications or follow rules, then the person is very sadly on his own. Nobody can force the mentally ill to get treatment. Drug abuse is also a part of this. Maybe all states offer different services. I volunteer with the younger mentally ill in Wisconsin and if they use drugs they are not allowed to stay in state funded homes or apartments. There are rules you must follow. SSI or SSDI is mandatory here for ANY hands on services which means the adult must apply. We cant. And they can refuse services they dont like. I hate our system but to my knowledge, which is vast at least in Illinois and WI, there are rules and people have rights. Just like they can refuse medications at age 12. They can refuse help. Yes, I think it is barbaric. Maybe more progressive states on the coasts have better services, although I believe that the mrntally ill having rights is Federal but I dont know for sure.Check out what you CAN do with a lawyer. We have a special needs account for Sonic when we are gone or else he would have too much money to keep his services. This is important to do. If the adult has more than a set amount of money, all services are lost unless the inherited money is in a special account. We have his payee in charge of that too. This whole issue is a blight on our country in my opinion but we have to follow the rules. More importantly they have to...our adult kids. Even if they are psychotic and cant. They have rights and can refuse treatment. This includes my son but he is compliant. Check your state. As tou always remind the rest of us there are variations in state rules/laws. In Wisconsin our conservative govenor is tring to cut disability services. He hasnt yet but rules change too. I feel safe with my son having an autism diagnosis, but mental illness, which autism is not, is more in peril. I think letting mentally ill adults, especially with psychosis, go free on the streets is the same as Alzheimers patients doing so....but nobody asked me. This is a major issue. Check your state disability rights/laws. Of course if your kid moves he may move to different rules too. I have no idea. Leave no stone unturned. Love and.light! [/QUOTE]
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