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<blockquote data-quote="witzend" data-source="post: 199363" data-attributes="member: 99"><p>Here's me. And this is just me. Is the asthmatic taking his medications, not smoking, getting some exercise? Or is he smoking a pack and a half a day and laying around like a blob? That probably doesn't make as much sense with asthma, but asthma isn't a thought I applied this to before.</p><p></p><p>My application is usually if you drive drunk with no past history of drunk driving, are you more or less or just as liable as if you have been busted for duii four times before? Aren't you more aware that you might have an accident?</p><p></p><p>So, if you are bi-polar and in the situation you describe, it would have to matter whether you had a diagnosis, are medication and therapy compliant, and if you have a history of violence when you're not medication compliant. I know it's a disease, and I know that part of the disease is saying that you don't have a disease or that you are all better. I've always been a proponent of making certain that anyone who has been in trouble with the law because of a mental illness might not belong in jail, but they should be lined up at the pharmacy counter every day taking their medications and having someone verify that it's being done. (That's what they used to do with antibuse. Not sure if they do that anymore.)</p><p></p><p>I have never understood the idea that a person with a disease that makes them non-medication compliant should be allowed to choose to not take medications if the disease has caused them to break the law (in a meaningful way). We don't let people walk around with tuberculosis. We make them take treatment. We make certain that what it is about them that can be harmful to society is contained and treated. Why don't wek do the same with mental illness? Locking people up is wrong. Letting it get so far that the mental illness brings them into a violation of the law that would call for a jail sentence is on society, not the person with the illness.</p><p></p><p>Wow! That was convoluted! I hope it made sense and wasn't offensive...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="witzend, post: 199363, member: 99"] Here's me. And this is just me. Is the asthmatic taking his medications, not smoking, getting some exercise? Or is he smoking a pack and a half a day and laying around like a blob? That probably doesn't make as much sense with asthma, but asthma isn't a thought I applied this to before. My application is usually if you drive drunk with no past history of drunk driving, are you more or less or just as liable as if you have been busted for duii four times before? Aren't you more aware that you might have an accident? So, if you are bi-polar and in the situation you describe, it would have to matter whether you had a diagnosis, are medication and therapy compliant, and if you have a history of violence when you're not medication compliant. I know it's a disease, and I know that part of the disease is saying that you don't have a disease or that you are all better. I've always been a proponent of making certain that anyone who has been in trouble with the law because of a mental illness might not belong in jail, but they should be lined up at the pharmacy counter every day taking their medications and having someone verify that it's being done. (That's what they used to do with antibuse. Not sure if they do that anymore.) I have never understood the idea that a person with a disease that makes them non-medication compliant should be allowed to choose to not take medications if the disease has caused them to break the law (in a meaningful way). We don't let people walk around with tuberculosis. We make them take treatment. We make certain that what it is about them that can be harmful to society is contained and treated. Why don't wek do the same with mental illness? Locking people up is wrong. Letting it get so far that the mental illness brings them into a violation of the law that would call for a jail sentence is on society, not the person with the illness. Wow! That was convoluted! I hope it made sense and wasn't offensive... [/QUOTE]
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