You know the saying 'pick your battles'...

whatamess

New Member
We tried a few suggestions in this thread (with little effect) and it will just have to be a point of contention for us until he either accepts it or we can agree on an alternative. He has very little awareness of how his 'quirks' or needs look to others. Even if his sibs or peers tell him he is annoying/gross/whatever, it does not deter him -it actually spurs him on to continue the behavior. Almost teen- bathroom/private behavior (ykwim) will be engaged in whether he is in public/private- he doesn't 'get' that that is inappropriate. Do you see what I am saying here?! One layer of polyester basketball shorts in not as 'effective' at minimizing that behavior as two layers...
 

Marguerite

Active Member
All I can suggest with the "self-pleasuring" in public, is to keep reminding him to do it in private. Let him know that not only is it not appropriate in public, but it is actually something he could get arrested for; if he cannot learn self-control round you at home, then he is more likely to forget himself and do it in a public place where there are cameras everywhere.

My (former) cleaner is also a friend who has bipolar. He fell into this trap and was seen by difficult child 1 (a few years ago when he was still living at home) being hauled off by police at an inner city railway station. We asked him what had happened (he turned up to do the cleaning job as usual next day) and he told us he had been arrested for indecent exposure. I don't know the full details (I didn't ask, I didn't want to know and with this guy at the time, there was a certain self-destructive component to his behaviour too, I didn't want to feed the "I'm a bad boy and I need you to spank me please" angle). However, he did admit to masturbation in public while on the train. I suspect he thought he was alone and despite signs everywhere warning of CCTV (the images are on a screen in the guard's van) he got it out and was playing with it. And was met by police who escorted him off the train, which is what difficult child 1 saw. I know this guy - I think he just totally forgot where he was. I don't think he intended to offend or even to shock - not at the time. I only got the"I've been bad, I should be punished" vibe afterwards. But he has a police record. Or maybe he doesn't - he still has his job which has him in people's homes helping elderly and infirm people, so something must have happened to allow this to still happen. But slack habits at home make it a lot easier for problems to happen when not at home.

Also when at friends' places, these habits can be either an embarrassment for him or not. His choice.

Whether it's through clothing or not, the issue is the same - do it in private.

My mother's generation were of the view that you don't do it at all. I remember her telling me, in hushed toes, of my father's concern that husband was a secret self-pleasurer (early days of our courtship). According to my parents, this aberrant behaviour shows up in the eyes somehow, as an indication of much greater and deeper mental instability. And my father was an expert on this, because of his years in the army during WWII.

Thankfully we are a little more enlightened, it is not an indiction of mental aberration. However, to insist on doing it wherever and whenever, could be. The sexual behaviour is not the problem, the antisocial behaviour is. Inability to recognise or validate the need for keeping some activities for privacy, is a big problem.

He might be choosing to wear less because it gives him more access. Also if what you see is not publicly acceptable, then he needs to cover up more.

difficult child 3 has his own strong ideas of what is acceptable to wear. But he perhaps errs the other way. When we go to the beach, there is a choice of beach wear for males. They can wear Speedos (known as "budgie smugglers" here in Australia, for visually obvious reasons) or boardies (board shorts - loose long shorts which cover a great deal more). The problem with boardies, is they tend to flap open and reveal a lot when you look up the leg (which can happen when someone is lying sunbathing, or squatting to build sandcastle or wax a board). So difficult child 3 wears both. He wears is budgie smugglers under his boardies. He needs to feel secure and is paranoid about having any private parts on display.

If your difficult child wants to go without underwear, then he needs enough fabric in the top layer, to cover up what is underneath. Caftan, kilt, denim jeans. Thin fabrics are not permitted. He wants to make some rules - then you need to insist. And unless he buys his own clothes or does the laundry, he is in your power in this. Confiscate all inappropriate clothing and refuse to buy more, until he wears it with underwear. And every time you see him acting as if e should be in his bedroom or bathroom in private, stop him and tell him to stop, or go to his room. No shock-horror, just a calm reminder. "That behaviour belongs in the bedroom." If he doesn't stop, get a bucket of cold water and dump it on him. Warn him first that this is how it will be, and stick to it.

Marg
 

timer lady

Queen of Hearts
Please forgive me if I'm being repetitive as I haven't taken the time to read all the responses. I'm all for letting this battle go.

husband & I decided a long time ago that the only issues we were willing to go to meltdown/rage modes were medications, health & safety issues. Refusal of medications, verbal &/or physical aggression, refusal to wear bike helmets, etc ~ those were some of the issues husband & I took to the mat. I continue to make those things my number one priority & have added others as the tweedles have matured.
 
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mowzalot

Guest
I'm new at this, and i'm not sure what difficult child means? just really needed to make a comment on the subject. Your not alone, dont give up! [U Your right.[/U] granted i have not been battling on the subject as long as you have, i strongly agree and have been pushing the issue. To were now it seems like an everyday routine.With my 14 yr old step son. Theres :dont_know:winning and fit throwing followed with the request.

Hang in there, take time to BREATHE........
 

trinityroyal

Well-Known Member
Others have already provided great advice and thoughts on the subject, I just want to chime in with a few comments:

Re: the underwear and socks, that definitely sounds like a sensory issue to me. And sensory issues have a tendency to change during puberty. What used to feel nice and normal before, now all of a sudden feels very strange and uncomfortable. A couple of thoughts from my personal experience: I cannot stand the feeling of moisture evaporating on my skin, so something that makes me sweaty when I'm not in a position to towel down is an absolute nightmare. Both difficult child and Little easy child struggle with this as well, to varying degrees. Obviously, the all-in-one corset-bodysuits I wear aren't suitable for a boy, but perhaps there is a type of underwear or shorts that will work for him. difficult child wears silky knit boxers, and Little easy child wears cotton boxer-briefs (leg goes to about mid-thigh). Neither of them can abide briefs. The common theme for all of us is that the undergarments are close fitting, don't chafe, provide a certain level of "squoziness" (they sort of hug and squeeze your body) and absorb any sweat as soon as it appears, preventing the dreaded evaporation ickiness.

Re: the towel, cleaning rooms, etc. Rather than telling your difficult child what he needs to do, have you tried writing it down on a checklist and posting it on the wall. We found that with difficult child< telling him brought about all sorts of oppositional behaviour, but writing it down helped him to get things done without an argument. Even if I made the checklist in front of him, posted it on the wall in front of him, and then pointed to it, the fact that it was written helped tremendously. I think a lot of Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD) folks are visual, and some have language processing issues. I know that I deal with written language much better than spoken, as does difficult child. SPoken language is almost like a second language -- harder to process and more work to understand, so I'm less likely to pay full attention to it if I'm tired or otherwise distracted. It might be worth trying with your son.

Trinity
 
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