Zimmerman trial anyone?

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by upallnight, Jul 9, 2013.

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  1. 1905

    1905 Well-Known Member

    He is totally guilty in my opinion! I have some strange addiction to these trials and these type of shows. I felt so badly for his friend who was not very well-spoken, the girl he was on the phone with when he died. People were making fun of her, she is just a kid who lost her friend. It's a shame, nothing will bring that kid back either way. The medical examiner is too narrow minded to be taken seriously- anyone watching this?
  2. SomewhereOutThere

    SomewhereOutThere Well-Known Member

    Has the verdict come in? To me, he is a cold-blooded murderer and I hope he gets the highest penalty possible. I think he was a macho guy with a gun who was upset with kids and wanted to provoke one in order to justidy the idiotic in my opinion law called "Stand Your Ground."
  3. Mattsmom277

    Mattsmom277 Active Member

    I think he was an over the top wannabe that took things into his own hand and felt that "power" he'd been seeking without success for a long time. Just my opinion. However, I do think the verdict is going to be not guilty. Not that I think that is the right verdict, but it's the verdict I expect based on the way the trial has been going.
  4. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    All I've got to say about this case is that if the man actually gets a fair trial it will be nothing short of a miracle.

    I don't really have an opinion either way if he's guilty or not. Soon as it was obvious he was going to be tried and convicted in the press.......I lost interest. They twist and turn the so called "facts" and innuendo so badly that the public has no clue what the real story is. They like it that way........keeps you watching.

  5. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    Trayvon was walking home from the store. Period. Now he's dead. Period. Anything that happened in Trayvon's life prior to the moment he encountered George Zimmerman make no difference because George Zimmerman can have had no knowledge whatsoever about that.

    I've belonged to neighborhood watches in 3 neighborhoods in two states. Each has been trained by a police officer. What George Zimmerman was not is a neighborhood watch captain - or anything else to do with a sanctioned neighborhood watch. This is what they teach you when you form a sanctioned neighborhood watch, in no particular order:

    • Keep an accurate phone list for neighbors;
    • Know who your neighbors are and keep an eye out for their homes and property;
    • Talk with your neighbors about who should and should not be at their homes;
    • Do not try to critically observe more than you would normally see on your daily comings and goings, you will be unfamiliar with normal comings and goings;
    • Make notes if you see something suspicious;
    • If you are concerned for your safety or property contact the police;
    • Never approach a stranger in your neighborhood if you suspect foul play;
    • Patrols are unnecessary and not recommended;
    • Should you choose to patrol your neighborhood, never patrol alone;
    • Should you choose to patrol your neighborhood, bring a pen and paper, a cell phone, and a flashlight;
    • Should you choose to patrol your neighborhood, wear a bright piece of clothing or reflective vest that identifies you as part of a neighborhood watch group;
    • Never bring a weapon with you when checking on or patrolling your neighborhood.

    There's more, but this is the basic stuff.

    There's a very interesting statement from neighbors about Zimmerman from way back. He sent out emails to the people on his phone tree warning of suspicious black people in his mostly black neighborhood. His neighbors appreciated his keeping an eye on them, and were afraid to go outside because they knew he was out there looking for black people.

    Zimmerman was looking for suspicious black people, and since all black people are suspicious to Zimmerman, he found one. He'd called the police 47 times about suspicious black people and "they always get away". This time he made sure that didn't happen. I guess you can tell that I think George Zimmerman is such a bigot that he doesn't even know he's a bigot. He thinks everyone should and does think that way. And he's going to get "Not Guilty" on all counts. Why?

    They never treated the incident as a crime or a crime scene. The evidence was muddied and muddled and you can not prosecute if you have let your shooter go home and shower and make up his mind as to what his story is going to be. I'd like to see the Feds come after him. That probably won't happen either. You couldn't pay me enough money to be in that town when he walks free. Florida is crazy.
  6. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Well said witz

    As most can probably imagine I have been watching this case. What case do I not watch? LOL

    There are several things that make me furious with this case. One is that idiot friend of Zimmerman's who likes to run his mouth on the shows. I want to commit bodily harm to him.

    Another thing is that they did blood work on Travon but not on Zimmerman. We know from what Zimmerman has told in interviews that he has been taking medication for ADHD for years AND that he has had several brushes with the law including a protective order with an ex girlfriend.

    As far as pot in your system, blood work can tell amounts in the blood. Travon had something like .15 nanograms. That is an extremely small amount. From what was testified, it meant he "may" have smoked a hit or two a couple of days before the crime but not that day. They never did blood work on Zimmerman so who knows what was in blood.. If he was taking adderal, it can make one a bit irritable, much more often than pot. Especially when it is leaving your system around 7 pm!

    Rebound anyone?

    Then of course we have how it appears the state's witnesses seem to be throwing the case to the defense. I dont think they ever wanted to prosecute Zimmerman and when forced by the Feds, they decided to mess up the evidence just as bad as possible. I can understand one or two mistakes but this many? Crime scene specialists who didnt bag evidence correctly. A medical examiner who claims to have zero (his terms) memory of the autopsy. Cops who snear when they answer the prosecutor but smile at the defense.


    Read more: http://www.conductdisorders.com/for...sting-re-zimmerman-trial-54364/#ixzz2Yal0z3tx
  7. 1905

    1905 Well-Known Member

    Like that Drew guy said, I would rather encounter someone stoned on pot than anything else, in fact, the more the better. People are actually sending him MONEY, he will go home, it's very, very sad. That expert who said he remembers zero, seriously, and the he had to be told by the judge to stop talking, it's unbelievable.
  8. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    I kinda think I understood what that expert was trying to get across but boy did he do a bad job of it.

    I think he was trying to say that with all the cases the expert witnesses have done between then and now, he doesnt have a clue how these people can pretend to remember all these things so darned clearly when he tried valiantly a few weeks before trial to remember things about this case and he couldnt remember enough to testify well so he decided to do some research on both memory and then make a little cheat sheet of his notes from this case. He was proud that he learned that there was no way that these experts could possibly remember this stuff and they had to have rehearsed in order to testify to what they were saying.

    Now he should have just said what I said!
  9. Bunny

    Bunny Active Member

    The thing I can't get around as that Zimmerman was told NOT to follows Trayvon Martin. He was told. "We don't need you to do that." He didn't listen to instructions from the police, and a teenager wound up dead because of it. husband said, "following someone is of a crime." No, but following someone after you have been specifically told not to is a huge problem. Do I think his intention was to kill someone? No, but I think he was looking for trouble.

    I also think murder is too high of a bar to prove. I think he should have been charged with manslaughter.

    husband thinks that they will never find him guilty. I think to no matter what the verdict is, there are going to be riots in Florida at the end of this mess.
  10. donna723

    donna723 Well-Known Member

    I think too that there will be major unrest there if George Zimmerman is found not guilty, and the way this trial is going, that could very well happen. If you're not familiar with the Central Florida area, Sanford is literally right down the road from Orlando. That whole area has merged in to one big congested metropolitan blob now. Sanford is in an adjoining county but just a short drive down I-4 from Orlando where the Casey Anthony trial was held. Emotions still run very high and people are still outraged over the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial. Then there is the added racial element in the Zimmerman trial. If George Zimmerman goes free too, I can see major problems in the works ... and it won't be pretty.
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  11. pasajes4

    pasajes4 Well-Known Member

    This whole thing is sickening. The press puts a sensational slant on a horrible tragedy. Nothing can erase what happened to this young man. I hope our difficult children are paying attention and realize that this can happen to anyone at anytime and that they exercise extreme caution.
  12. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    In case you guys don't know Florida and California are the only two states that mandate extra penalties on crimes where a gun is involved. If the Jury decides to downgrade to Manslaughter they will not know that he will still get a very lengthly sentence. I am SO glad I am not on that Jury. Personally I don't think George headed out to kill somebody regardless of their color. I think George was a wannabe who acted on impulse and may be incarcerated for thirty years. Florida is not a State that has too much publicity because it is one of few who allows public access to almost all info. Sigh. DDD
  13. 1905

    1905 Well-Known Member

    I hope you're right about him getting 30 years. Are they allowed to just downgrade the charges on their own? I miss things when I'm at work. That judge shut down gz's lawyer earlier when she asked if he wanted to testify. Thank goodness closing arguments are tomorrow, I feel so bad for TM's parents. I wish I were on the jury. But the waters are too muddied for a guilty conviction and the rest of the world isn't like all of us, a lot think he's innocent.
  14. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Well-Known Member

    Any chance of a hung jury / mistrial?
  15. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    I'd kinda doubt a hung jury as they are all women and generally females reach a common ground instead of duking it out. My guess is that it will be a "lesser charge" or an acquittal. Yes, I think there will be a racial component but most of all I think there will be a "teen" component. If you have no personal exposure to teens I "think" you might be using different criteria than those of us who have been there done that in the past fifteen years or so. It's an interesting case and I don't see any "winners". Even the word "hoodie" has a negative connotation if you haven't learned to see them as a comfortable way to dress. Sigh. DDD
  16. Bunny

    Bunny Active Member

    I don't think he's innocent, because let's face it: a huge injustice was done that night. A kid ended up dead.

    I think that if lesser charges are allowed to be considered by the jury, he will be convicted of something, but I think murder has not been proven.

    GMA this morning was saying that if he's convicted of aggravated assault he could get as much as 30 years, because there was a gun involved.
  17. DDD

    DDD Well-Known Member

    I wasn't sure how many years, Bunny, but I noted that Florida really has extra tough consequences if a gun is involved.
    I'll be glad when it is over and faded from the headlines as I have a hard time "shaking it" from my head. DDD
  18. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    DDD, personally I wouldnt live in FL if I were not retired considering the way the laws seem to be after the trials I have watched and the laws I have learned about down there. Like you have pointed out, even the words being used in this trial seem so tainted in a way.

    When I first heard about this case I thought that George Zimmerman was much older than he actually is. Truthfully this is really a sad case of two young men coming into contact that night. I still think it was Travvon screaming but while everyone is saying it is "help", I think it sounds more like"mooom" which makes more sense to me as a mother. I have heard videos that have been brought back from Iraq where Intermittent Explosive Disorder (IED)'s exploded and inevitably you hear some young kid crying out for his mom even though she is thousands of miles away.
  19. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    I'm still not following the trial other than for THIS reason:

    There are groups out there who are at this moment planning to "riot" (attack is more like it from the way it sounds) if the verdict doesn't come back the way they feel it should. This could turn very ugly very quickly, especially for those in large cities as well as the suburbs of large cities. From chatter going on via FB, Twitter and other social media......it may make the LA Riots look like a picnic.

    I don't understand this response to such things.......because it really does no good at all. But the threat is out there. So I hope everyone will be very cautious in the following days.
  20. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    Lisa, I've seen these "plots" as posted on Twitter. Can you be absolutely certain that these are legitimate threats? Can you imagine a possibility that someone might be trying to stir up fear by tweeting "I'ma kill me a cracker if Z gets off"? Who would be stupid enough to twitter that and then go do that? After all, no one has ever created a fake profile on Twitter, or used it to stir up hatred.

    Is there going to be a riot if he gets off? Probably. Will it be because someone went out with the intent to start a riot, or will it be because the police over-react and/or don't know how to handle and defuse a crowd? I'm betting on the second.
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