Face eating naked psycho (NOT) on Bath Salts

[Calamity Jane]

Nancy, I've also seen my son enraged and delusional IMO, and would have bet the farm he was on acid or something, and we've tested him on the spot and it only came up positive for THC. But that guy in FL stripped naked, flug himself around a light pole, had superhuman strength to chew someone's face off, was warned by the police to stop, but didn't, and had to be shot to death. She may be covering up for something, but his fiancee said he was quiet, religious, never in any trouble. I am sure that's true in HER perspective, but this guy must've been totally messed up. I'll bet they're getting ready to sue the police for excessive force.

The bath salts would have tied it up into a neat package, like you see on Law and Order, or CSI. This is just whacked out. I remember when I used to take the NYC subway to work in the late '70's, early '80's and it was like crazy town. There was just no describing it, and it was like being on a tour of Vietnam every day for 45 min. each way. I fully expected, and would not have been surprised if someone threw a live grenade in the subway car just because they could. If you didn't get PTSD from that, you wouldn't get it from anything. There were so many mental patients roaming around, you were assaulted by "entertainers" on the cars who would shake you down for money, hare krishnas, angry radical "religious" nuts, 3-card monte sharks, gold snatchers, people who would push people in front of oncoming trains, etc.!

But this guy in FL? How does a human being become so radically deranged, seemingly overnight? There's got to be more to the story. Otherwise, my faith in mankind is lost!

[Nancy]

It's very scarey indeed. There truly are a lot of mentally ill people walking around and any drug added to that mix could be disasterous. The fact that pot was found in his system I can't believe it was not a factor, certainly not the only one but then it's playing russian roulette isn't it?

Nancy

[Hound dog]

I've been thinking on this quite a bit.

You know, it seems that people are really in to putting odd things into their bodies to attempt to get "high", or kill themselves, whichever comes first. It's just as possible.....this is a new thing that police / forensics hasn't come across yet. Police work isn't all CSI and NCIS, police depts do NOT have those resources, most of them don't anyway. They have some, but most just aren't that sophisticated. kwim? I have a feeling this is a case of police lab didn't know what they were looking for, so they didn't find the cause.

This is going to sound weird, but I wonder if they checked him for parasites. There are some parasites out there that target brain cells and alter behavior. And lately we have a lot of "alien" species invading the country.

I'm guessing they checked for laced pot (chemicals they normally see) and other drugs, along with the bath salt chemicals and that was it. So even if it was some other "new" type of concoction they've dreamed up to get high.....they could've missed it. They don't look for parasites unless they have reason to do so either. Nor would it show up on a normal autopsy.

[donna723]

As a "child of the 60's" who hung around with a bunch of musicians and was around and indulged in quite a bit of pot smoking back in the day, I have to agree that there is NO WAY this guy would have done this just as a result of smoking pot! Nobody ever did anything except become very mellow, laid back, giggley, and get the munchies! Oh, the stories I could tell - I may write a book! But I can't even imagine anyone becoming violent as a result of smoking pot! Of course, back then, it was very pure. It was either home grown or imported from Mexico or Hawaii (the best stuff).

But now it's a different story. Most of it has been adultrated with all kinds of unknown and weird substances - Lord only knows what's in there now! And from working in a prison for 24 years, I know about drug tests. There is no magic all-inclusive drug test that will show every substance that is in the sample. They have to test for specific substances and there could be any one of thousands of substances in the sample but if the test is not designed to detect that particular substance, it will go undetected.

Also from working in a prison, I know of one thing that could potentially have those affects on someone, including extreme violence, great strength and oblivion to pain. There are others - this is just one. Our institution was in a very rural area surrounded by woods and we had inmate work crews (trustees) who would go off unsupervised and cut down trees that were cut up and sold for firewood. There is a plant, jimsom weed (I think I spelled that right), that grows wild in the woods and if they found some, occasionally one of them would be dumb enough to try it. It could be smoked (dried, it would be very easy to mix with pot) or some of them would just eat it. They would just go completely nuts on this stuff, some had complete psychotic breaks, extreme violence, seemingly superhuman strength, and a complete oblivion to pain! These guys could be very dangerous to try to contain and even a taser didn't phase them! Of course our staff had seen it before and knew the affects of it when they saw them. But on a drug test, if the test wasn't specifically designed to detect this stuff, it would slip right through. This is just one thing it could be but there's all kinds of things out there that could potentially have this same affect and there is no way to test for all of them.

[Calamity Jane]

Very interesting, Hound and Donna. It could be any number of things...it's such a mystery. My ultra paranoid gfg would probably say it was a government experiment gone awry!

[StepTo2]

My ultra paranoid gfg would probably say it was a government experiment gone awry!

My not so paranoid GFG has already said so. Even wondered if it could be akin to Agent Orange...

[welcometowitsend]

Ok, that is pretty creepy that he tested negative for bath salts. And I don't think it was totally related to the pot either.

That said, I have heard that bath salts can induce schizophrenia that can be permanent whether they are still on bath salts or not. Wonder if that could have anything to do with it?

[Kathy813]

My GFG has told me several times lately that she doesn't smoke pot anymore because it makes her go "crazy." Maybe pot mellows out normal people but has a different effect on people that have mental health issues.

~Kathy

[Signorina]

Cannabis can lead to a pyschotic/schizophrenic break - especially when used over a long period of time. But it's still an "which comes first - chicken and egg "

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Based on research reviews, looking at the connection between cannabis and psychosis, two hypotheses have been developed.

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The first hypothesis is that cannabis use causes psychotic symptoms in an otherwise healthy individual that would not have occurred with abstinence. The second hypothesis is that cannabis use may precipitate psychosis in individuals who are predisposed to acquiring a psychotic disorder.

^10,11

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2811144/

[CrazyinVA]

I'm still calling it the zombie apocalypse.