Me again - PC losing it because of GFG....

[Mikey]

Yep, me again, writing to get this out of my system, and venting on all you poor souls..... [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/faint.gif[/img]

Yesterday was a half-day of school for my kiddos, but a full day of work for me and DW. My older son agreed to pick up my daughter after school and bring her home - only he went to the wrong school (she's been out of elementary for two years - duh!). Being an "almost aspie", he gets pretty mad and when he finally picks her up he takes out his anger on her the whole way home.

Once home, the beast is there with beastette, in his room with the door shut. All the kids are now home alone, and my daughter then goes into her room to escape, relax and drink a coke - which she promptly spills on her nightstand.

She starts yelling for help - she's trying to keep the stuff from running onto the carpet, and needs a towel. Older brother ignores her; the beast stands in the doorway and tells her to "get it yourself". Older brother finally gets a towel and throws it at her.

I get home for lunch and find my poor daughter in tears. When she finally told me what happened, I didn't know what to do except comfort her. She then had a huge burst of anger and said "I HATE MY BROTHERS! THEY'RE MEAN, THEY HATE ME, AND WOULDN'T HELP ME WHEN ALL I NEEDED WAS A TOWEL TO KEEP FROM RUINING THE CARPET! I HATE THEM!"

My older son has always been a prickly cactus to be around, even though he's gotten better over the last few months. But his tounge could cut the chrome off a car bumper and never scratch the steel underneath! The beast, well, is the beast, and lives in his own world now.

And my daughter has to put up with both of them. What can I possibly do to make things better for her?

Older son has been difficult all his life, but generally we've learned to accept him as he is. He's difficult, and sometimes nasty, but he's never disrespected us or our rules. Other than his personality (or lack therof), he's a PC in every sense of the word. It's just that making friends with an angry wolverine would be easier than getting to know him as a friend. And you can count out anything close to acting like an 'loving older brother'.

She was never close to him, and he's likely to leave in a year or so anyway. She was, however, very close to the beast before he started drugging.

Over the last few months, I've noticed her temper getting shorter, her confidence waning, having more confrontations with her brothers (some of which she even starts!), and generally acting more depressed. On top of that, her best friend has three brothers, all of which are drug abusers. The problems in THAT household finally drove their Dad to abandon his family, and the girl's older brother just got kicked out of the house (he's part of the beast's Pothead Posse).

I can only assume that not only is my daughter's life more stressful, now her best friend's life is even worse - for the same reason. She doesn't have anyone sympathetic to talk with any more, nor does she have anywhere to go to escape the stress.

This is my PC, the only one I have left. I do everything I can to reassure her, support her, make her feel safe, and give her opportunities to grow without stifling her - but she's still suffering.

Just don't know what to do any more, and detachment isn't going to work for this one. I'd take her to get some help, but she's afraid of the stigma of seeing a "shrink" (she's pretty popular at school).

How does one help insulate and protect a younger PC when there's constant GFG turbulance in the family? I'm worried about trying to help, but not overdoing it to the point where I enable (or encourage) her to become a GFG herself.

Thoughts? Suggestions? (Running away in the night with DW and daughter doesn't count)

Mikey

[Big Bad Kitty]

Here's a heads up.

Puberty and teen years with your boys was NOTHING compared to what it will be like with your daughter. Everything is drama. "Stigma" of seeing a shrink? Come on, she does not have to tell the whole school.

Counselling is exactly what can help her. Unfortunately, you cannot insulate her. You CAN have her talk to someone who can help her get through the things that are going on in her life. ANd now is the time in her life when she probably needs it most.

JMHO.

[SunnyFlorida]

[img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/2.gif[/img] Sorry for your bad day.

Just wanted to let ya know "I'm thinkin' of ya"

[mstang67chic]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mikey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> (Running away in the night with DW and daughter doesn't count)

Mikey </div></div>


Well darn...there goes my suggestion! [img]/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/1010hammer.gif[/img]

Seriously, as gfg is our only child I haven't experienced this. With that said however, PC's moods/behavior sound familiar to me. While I agree that puberty is probably making her moods and patience level a little worse, she sounds like she's in a place similar to where I have found myself lately. I'm so fed up with being the "bad guy", treated with disrespect and outright disdain at times, all of the arguing over the stupidest of things, the lies, the stories, etc. that I find myself either shutting down around gfg or tensing up just at the thought of spending time with him. I don't really make much of an effort anymore to do things with him or do more than I have to. Basically I just need a reeeeally good break from him. It sounds like PC needs that too right now. I know it's kind of late in the year for this but would there be the possibility of her going to some type of summer camp? (Assuming she would be interested) Or maybe there is a favorite relative that she could go visit for a couple of weeks during the summer.

IMHO, between the usual things that come with her age and the stress of dealing with her brothers, it sounds like she just needs to get away and have some fun without them around. I agree that having her see a counselor would be good and give her an outlet to vent without worrying about upsetting you or your wife but honestly, a good gfg-less vacation can do wonders.

Just thinking off the top of my head here but hope it gives you some ideas.

[Michellenurse0]

I can totally feel your pain. I thought I was going to cry reading about your daughter. I too have that "wolverine" son who just cant seem to get along with anyone. I feel like all my kids do is fight. He too would stand there and let her scream while the soda poored onto the floor. But he would also have said not supposed to have soda in your room thats what you get. I have sat down with PC and told her that her brother has emotional issues and that he really doesnt know how to love her unconditonally like she does. I also told her that she needs to remember that he has low self esteem and abusing her makes him feel better. I told her i dont condone his treatment of her but we are working on it. I have asked her not to respond to him when he is acting out like a "wolf", it is very difficult in our house too. God only knows when it will end. Love her with all your heart and just acknowledge her pain. Talk to her, take her for a coke outside the house and let her know that you know he is a wolf. I hate when they are all home alone with no parental supervision. It makes me kringe at what I might find when i get home. Just remember to keep telling her you love her and it will get better. Tell her that she can see someone and that no one has to know. Ask her to try it out. My GFG goes to counseling , wonder when its going to help! He seems more relaxed when he goes. Maybe that is what she needs. Tell her you dont know what else to do for her. Dont you just love those pot heads, my gfg has been messing with it too. Darn kids. I feel sorry for my other children that they have to deal with their brother too. Good luck.

[rejectedmom]

Mikey, No one needs to know your daughter is seeing a therapist.
Records are confidential and unless you or she tell someone it could be your "secret". Tell her siblings that you decided that you wanted to spend some quality time with your daughter and take her to counseling. Also keep communication open and be observant. It sounds like your daughter might be at risk for some self medicating also. When a teen is that unhappy and stressed and pot use is all around them well...it could be a recipe for disaster. My PC started taking liqor from the cabinet at age 14. we caught him and put a stop to it but it was scary for us that he would consider going down that road at all. Sending (HUGS) for your poor PC. -RM

[DDD]

From my old age I frequently try to encourage CD family members
to NOT assume their PC's are "doing great"...particularly if they
are the "family fixers". Most of the time the response is in the
form of denial. "My PC is the joy of our life and she (almost always, btw, it is a female) always find something positive to focus on. Etc. Etc. Etc. She is very close to us and would not
hestitate to say that she feels the need for help."

Bull!

PC's are either suffering quietly or loudly. There is no way that PC's are capable of coping with all the strife better than
the adult parents. Period.

I had 2 biological PCs who helped me raise one younger GFG. Both
of my PCs where BIG PCs. As adults they FINALLY were able to
tell me that they, too, were in pain but they did not want to add
to MY worries..etc. etc.

Make your PC go to a therapist. Period. No more discussion.
If she is healthier than everyone else in the family, going to a therapist is not going to make her messed up. If she is human
and is suffering from the trauma..speaking freely to an adult who
will not "rat out" to the much loved parents will help her cope
now AND live more happily in the future. DDD

[DDD]

I better add one more thing. Both of my PCs are very successful
adults. They did not end up permanently traumatized BUT they both wish I had insisted on a therapist. I did finally. They
were mid teens by then. It helped one. The other dropped out.
I am lucky they are fine now. DDD

[jbrain]

Hi Mikey,
I totally agree with DDD--your PC may seem fine but she suffers too with living with gfg! My gfg2 was a PC until gfg1 left for residential treatment. I thought gfg2 was the most stable, sensible person in our whole family, including me. I found out that she had been holding it together, trying to be the perfect child, trying not to cause any problems, trying to fix her sister, all this time. Also, it didn't help that she had just turned 13--teen girls are really a challenge--I would take teen boys any day over teen girls! (I do have a boy so I can compare).

My pc son is 7 yrs older than gfg2 and he was never the protective, big brother sort of guy so she feels she has missed out on having that relationship. He is 23 now so he is nice to her but they aren't really close due to the age difference and also his personality--he is very private, keeps to himself. I have reported about gfg1 and gfg2s relationship in Parent Emeritus but it is dysfunctional as gfg2 was abusive to gfg1 when they were younger. Gfg2 sometimes really feels bad that she doesn't have a "typical" family. She would love to have a family that acts like a family (like a tv family I guess).

Good luck!
Jane

[HereWeGoAgain]

Poor kid. I agree with the others about talking to her about a counselor and I like that vacation-from-gfg idea too.

"Beastette"? Has gfg's g/f gone over to the dark side?