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<blockquote data-quote="WiseChoices" data-source="post: 752292" data-attributes="member: 24254"><p>Thank you, JayPee. You are a very sweet person. I am sober by the grace of my Higher Power.</p><p></p><p>You have been through a lot with your ex-husband. It is extremely heart-breaking to watch someone destroy themselves and alcoholism is a very patient disease and a very slow suicide. It is cunning and baffling and powerful . The disease of alcoholism cannot be defeated without spiritual intervention. Alcoholics are bodily and mentally different from their peers. Physically we have an allergy to alcohol that unleashes intense cravings when we put that first drink into our bodies. Mentally, alcoholism triggers obsession once alcohol is put into the body.</p><p></p><p>Once we put down the drink , we are not disease free. We still suffer from what we call the -isms of the disease. The -isms are the cognitive distortions, the character defects and the overgrowth of the ego. We are run by hundreds of our fears , self delusion, self pity, and self centeredness.</p><p></p><p>It is my opinion that the Al-Anon is the same as the alcoholic with the exception of the allergy to alcohol . The alcoholic is focused on the bottle , and the Al-Anon is focused on the alcoholic making them each their Higher Power. The Al-Anon has the same cognitive distortions (check out Wikipedia for them - it teaches you how the Al-Anon and alcoholic brain work or rather misfunction) , character defects, and self-centeredness because I never put the alcoholic first out of self love. I put him first because I needed his approval, only felt ok with his attention and I manipulated him and the situation to get what I wanted. So the fears, the self pity (victimhood), the self delusions (denial) and the self centeredness are the same .</p><p></p><p>This whole topic is fascinating to me and I love learning more and studying this stuff.</p><p></p><p>I love going to AA and Al-Anon. They are amazing programs for those who want it, not those who need it.</p><p></p><p>It is entirely possible that Nomad's friend would not quit drinking even if a doctor told him to stop or die . Many alcoholics in the advanced stages of the disease will not stop . That is why we have to make it whether the alcoholic does or not.</p><p></p><p>I will pray for Nomad's friend to find the willingness, open-mindedness and honesty to try another way.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WiseChoices, post: 752292, member: 24254"] Thank you, JayPee. You are a very sweet person. I am sober by the grace of my Higher Power. You have been through a lot with your ex-husband. It is extremely heart-breaking to watch someone destroy themselves and alcoholism is a very patient disease and a very slow suicide. It is cunning and baffling and powerful . The disease of alcoholism cannot be defeated without spiritual intervention. Alcoholics are bodily and mentally different from their peers. Physically we have an allergy to alcohol that unleashes intense cravings when we put that first drink into our bodies. Mentally, alcoholism triggers obsession once alcohol is put into the body. Once we put down the drink , we are not disease free. We still suffer from what we call the -isms of the disease. The -isms are the cognitive distortions, the character defects and the overgrowth of the ego. We are run by hundreds of our fears , self delusion, self pity, and self centeredness. It is my opinion that the Al-Anon is the same as the alcoholic with the exception of the allergy to alcohol . The alcoholic is focused on the bottle , and the Al-Anon is focused on the alcoholic making them each their Higher Power. The Al-Anon has the same cognitive distortions (check out Wikipedia for them - it teaches you how the Al-Anon and alcoholic brain work or rather misfunction) , character defects, and self-centeredness because I never put the alcoholic first out of self love. I put him first because I needed his approval, only felt ok with his attention and I manipulated him and the situation to get what I wanted. So the fears, the self pity (victimhood), the self delusions (denial) and the self centeredness are the same . This whole topic is fascinating to me and I love learning more and studying this stuff. I love going to AA and Al-Anon. They are amazing programs for those who want it, not those who need it. It is entirely possible that Nomad's friend would not quit drinking even if a doctor told him to stop or die . Many alcoholics in the advanced stages of the disease will not stop . That is why we have to make it whether the alcoholic does or not. I will pray for Nomad's friend to find the willingness, open-mindedness and honesty to try another way. [/QUOTE]
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