Been thinking about genetics a lot lately...so is it nature or nurture?

JJJ

Active Member
But given the fact that Onyxx and Jett have the same genetic makeup - why so different? THAT, I believe is where nurture comes in...

But they don't have the same genetic makeup, their DNA is different from each other; same gene pool but each child was born with different genes pairs from that pool.
 

InsaneCdn

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But they don't have the same genetic makeup, their DNA is different from each other; same gene pool but each child was born with different genes pairs from that pool.

It's even more complicated than that... the way the gene pool works for guys is different than for girls. In theory, Oynxx should be more like husband's mom, than any ONE person on her bioMom's side.
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
But they don't have the same genetic makeup, their DNA is different from each other; same gene pool but each child was born with different genes pairs from that pool.
Right - I said it wrong.

It's even more complicated than that... the way the gene pool works for guys is different than for girls. In theory, Oynxx should be more like husband's mom, than any ONE person on her bioMom's side.
EEK. No wonder Onyxx and mother in law cannot stand each other. because you know the old saw about how men choose women like their mothers and women choose men like their fathers? Well, husband's first wife - Raven's mom - was very needy like mother in law. And second wife - Onyxx & Jett's mom - was her narcissistic, abusive side. Me? I don't fit. And no one can figure out WHY he chose me. The only thing mother in law and I have in common? We're both short. (But so is Raven's mom and so was O&J's.) Honestly the woman drives me batty. And, yes, she and Onyxx are A LOT ALIKE.
 

InsaneCdn

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But, of course, what Oynxx DOES have in bucketfulls from BioMom is... nurture. Not necessarily the positive side of that word, but what O was exposed to for years definitely had an effect.
 

AnnieO

Shooting from the Hip
In her case, nature and nurture combined and... If she does not use what she has learned... Could be even more explosive than it already is/has been.

So with any luck, Bean will have the same things in common with mother in law that I do... *pretzel*
 

InsaneCdn

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I wish I could find that article... but it talked about how a man's genes are strongly tied directly to parents, and a woman's genes are diluted. A man's Xs come from his Mom, and his Y's come from his Dad. But a woman's Xs come from both Mom and Dad. So, a daughter is going to be Dad's Xs which = his Mom's Xs, plus Mom's Xs which are half from her Mom and half from her Dad... which means the strongest single genetic influence is Dad's Mom. Make sense?

Basically, either gender, the child is going to be strongly connected genetically to husband... And either way, mother in law's genes are going to show up: this generation (if Bean is a girl) or next generation (if Bean is a boy and has a daughter).

YOU get to influence it all with... nurture!
 

pigless in VA

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I've been thinking about this thread a lot for the past couple of days and have decided to toss in my two cents.

One thing I've learned from the preschoolers the past 6 years is how different they each are. Certainly, there are commonalities. But each child seems to me to be such the individual at even the young age of 4. If you are considering older people, each person has had a myriad of life experiences to contend with. Each person learns differently, at different rates and has different people effecting their lives.

I'd like to throw out my SO's idea of "connectedness." He says that some people have an easier time connecting to others. Some people struggle to connect with others their entire lives. husband is a prime example of being disconnected. People liked him, admired him, and wanted to know him. But, he felt that having connections to others was a curse. From his perspective he felt most at peace when alone.

Basically, what I am thinking at the moment is that the people who are most comfortable in their lives, feel connected to others and valued by them. I've been reading a number of Holocost memoirs lately and what I am learning from them is how people are able to survive inhumane conditions simply by a feeling of connectedness with others. In one man's case, his brother had died but he still felt connected to him. He felt a draw toward a better life in honor of his brother. That feeling kept him alive.

What I see with many difficult child's is that they don't feel connected. Their view gets distorted for a variety reasons and sometimes no amount of love can penetrate that barrier.

I believe that making connections with others (or nuturing) is worthwhile. But we can't expect it to overcome every situation. Some people are entrenched in their behaviors and are simply unable to make changes in their lives.

I am able to help the majority of my preschoolers learn the basics for kindergarten: writing their name, learning the letters, how to interact effectively with the class. But I cannot help all of them. One little guy didn't recognize me two weeks after school was over after I had worked with him 5 days a week for 8 months. I tried my best to help him learn to write his name; he simply couldn't do it. Sometimes even our best effort isn't enough.

Stepping off the cyber-soap-box now . . .
 
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