birds dying

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by Jena, Jan 4, 2011.

  1. Jena

    Jena New Member

    you guys read about this, how birds alot of them were found dead like 500 or so in arkansas, and now louisianna. they tested the birds and it says they died by "trauma" hitting something hard and getting a hemorrage.

  2. Nancy

    Nancy Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Yes it's big news here. I don't believe the explanation they gave. They said it was from the trauma of fireworks on New Years Eve. Residents there have said if that were the case then there would be thousands more dead every Fourth of July.

  3. donna723

    donna723 Well-Known Member

    ... and didn't they say that thousands of fish are dying in the same place? I don't buy that either. I don't imagine that fish would care one way or the other about fireworks!
  4. Jena

    Jena New Member

    i agree just finished reading the article, some 800 fish died also?? its' crazy. and apparently all blackbirds mostly? since when have birds gotten confused and throw by fireworks that their crashing into electrical wires?? what are ppl there saying about it? they claimed it happened somewhere else also
  5. HaoZi

    HaoZi Guest

    Trauma describes the physical damage that killed them (like crashing into each other or objects, as opposed to a massive West Nile die off), but not how that trauma occurred. The fish were 83k drum fish, the only species noted, so illness that is species-specific is not out of the question.
    Two previous (though smaller) bird kills in AK were verified to have been caused by lightning.
  6. Jena

    Jena New Member

    yea i just washed a show about it. the guy was like are they kidding me stating that it was due to fireworks? lol
  7. HaoZi

    HaoZi Guest

    A big enough group of birds (or any animal, including humans) packed into one small area, that are suddenly panicked... yep, wouldn't surprise me a bit. Especially an animal that has poor eyesight, as this particular species did. Considering these birds are considered a nuisance where there are, it wouldn't surprise me if someone set off a huge firework to scare them off and got more clean-up than they intended.
  8. ThreeShadows

    ThreeShadows Quid me anxia?

  9. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    I don't buy that they were startled and flew into each other. Not one bit. Especially given that over 80,000 fish were found dead downstream a week ago.
  10. Marguerite

    Marguerite Active Member

    If a flock is in plague proportions and gets startled on take-off, you could get a high kill rate. But wouldn't someone have noticed that big a flock of blackbirds?

    I've seen a plague-sized flock when I was a kid - it was galahs (aka pink and grey cockatoo). I was a teenager driving with my parents to visit my brother who lived out past wheat country. It was harvest time, there were huge piles of grain which were being loaded into trucks. Some spills were being cleaned up by galahs, plus when trucks cornered on the road more grain was spilled. The fields were pink and grey, wall-to-wall birds. So was the road. As we drove though it didn't matter how slowly you went, you hit birds. Some of them were too full to take off. Others had no room to take off. Many collided in mid-air. The ground was littered with dead galahs.

    I could believe fireworks could be responsible, but it would have to be a fairly dense flock of birds to begin with.

  11. klmno

    klmno Active Member

    I thought I heard there were two locations where birds died in high numbers suddenly. I'm not positive though if that was birds in one area and fish in another or birds in one area and birds and fish both in aanother. Anyway, this morning they said there were thousands of birds that died. A vet on tv from that area was on the news yesterday and he said they have fireworks there every New Years so it does seem odd that this is the first time so many birds died as a result, since they are there in high numbers every winter too.
  12. HaoZi

    HaoZi Guest

    "The whole sky turns black every morning and every night," -Shane Roberts, local resident.
    Considering they have left piles of droppings ankle to knee depth in places, they've been noticed and they're nothing new in that area in high numbers. Total dead birds is somewhere around 3k I believe.
  13. 1905

    1905 Well-Known Member

    Canada, Loisianna, Kentucky, and Arkansas all have these dead birds. I just Googled.
  14. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

    When I lived in Austin we had grackles that were that bad. It was truly awful to experience them. Everyone had to carry an umbrella or your head was covered wtih bird droppings (very gross, high in ammonia which discolored a few people's hair quite oddly - would NOT have believed that if I hadn't seen it in a dorm - mate). The entire city of Austin was a bird sanctuary which meant that NOTHING could be doen that might hurt the birds. Previously they all lived outside one of the girl's dorms across campus but their parents complained (the freshman sorority girls all lived there and all their parents complained) so they used loud fireworks to scare them off and they then roosted outside MY dorm (State Capitol bldg had done the same thing when they roosted there). When they would all get scared they would fly into each other and the buildings and cars and people and it was a DISASTER and truly awful to be around. They had to time efforts to make them move to when the fewest people would be around because it was actually dangerous to walk or drive when the birds all took flight.

    And this was NOT the numbers of birds in the flocks being described. I fully believe that if the birds were scared by something they could die off in these numbers. Various bad weather fronts can also contribute to this in several ways.
  15. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Well-Known Member Staff Member

    Down south these birds do swarm in large numbers but I really dont believe fireworks managed to kill in these numbers because people set off fireworks every year and this wouldnt be such a story. It would happen every year. I know during my travels through different places I have seen massive clouds of black birds. They would look like these big clouds that just soared from one place to another and until you actually got up to them you wouldnt realize they were birds. We get them here.

    The fish is a real oddity. Fireworks arent going to bother them. Dynamite could if you set it off in a lake. Shooting fish in a barrel sort of thing.

    This is a man made problem I am sure.
  16. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    Is this somewhere online where I can read this? Sounds interesting..........and well more than a bit odd.
  17. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

  18. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    Thanks Susie. And wow, I'm having real trouble believing both hordes of birds in several different areas and fish dying is "coincidence". Something is up, and the need to find out what that something is. That's just too much, involving too many places to dog it mere coincidence. I don't believe much in coincidences anyway. It will be interesting to see if we are ever told a real reason for all these sudden deaths.............or if they keep giving out bogus excuses that just don't wash.
  19. Wiped Out

    Wiped Out Well-Known Member Staff Member

    I know they are sending some of the birds to Madison, WI where scientists will hopefully be able to determine the cause.
  20. donna723

    donna723 Well-Known Member

    There's some more - about a hundred dead birds found in a town near Nashville, and some in an other Tennessee location too. Very strange ...