Bubba boogers... Not for the easily grossed out

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by witzend, May 28, 2008.

  1. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    OK, so many of you may remember that Bubba got kennel cough last fall. I feel so guilty. We used to get his shots at the Petco, and they always sent us a reminder. Then we started doing it at the vet, and they didn't. So his shots were late.

    I took him to the groomer, and he got kennel cough. That developed into a "sinus inflamation of unknown origins." Now, before you all get up in my face for being crazy, which I am about this dog, you need to remember that he is my baby. We got him at 8 weeks old and I saved his behind from being put down at least the first 3 months of his life. He is my sweetheart. When I come in, he waits until I have unloaded whatever I have brought with me, and then rubs his head against my thigh and lets me rub his face and ears and nose. It's just a great big hug that no one else gives me.

    So, he's 11, and in quite good shape for his age. After the kennel cough was treated, he started developing crust around his nose, and sneezing big boogers, which dogs shouldn't do. We treated him at our regular vet, to the tune of about $900 and to now avail. Then we took him to the specialist. They said that they would do an exploratory on his sinus, and an MRI, and biopsies, looking for fungal infection. It could be around $1,200 - $2,000. You guessed it. It was $2,700. :surprise: And they found snot. I mean, they actually found lots and lots of snot and nothing else.

    So, sinus inflamation of unknown origin. First, prednisone. Then more rounds of antibiotics. And of course, more visits to the specialist. Then, whatever it is that they give women for vaginal yeast infection. We're talking another $1,500 in doctor and RX bills. Little bit by little bit, mind you. How do you say "no" to $75 bucks for someone you love and is otherwise healthy?

    So, after every antibiotic, the snot comes back. He's on the anti yeast infection stuff at $40 a month, and they added Cyclosporine. And another round of antibiotics. Cyclosporine is an anti-rejection medication for transplant patients. It usually runs $200 to $200 a month, depending upon where you buy it. So I felt blessed when I found out that if I joined Walgreen's RX club for $20 a year I could get it for only $155 a month. :sad-very: We have been on that two months now.

    And, the "secondary infection" is back. I know we all have troubles with difficult children. I know we all love our dogs. But do you know how big a nose on a Dalmatian is? Do you know how big a booger a Dalmatian can sneeze when they are really stuffed up? I'm talking 6 inchers that spread in all directions!

    I love this dog. More than I love my husband this week. But these boogers! Every inch of my house below 12 inches high has been hit with mega boogers. And he is snoring. And rattling. And it's time for round 8 of antibiotics. Otherwise, he's as healthy as a tiger cub. Except for the snorting all night long and the horking up things 20 times a day and the occasional vomiting and diarrhea from the medications. And we're into this for about $6,000 now. But who's counting?

    I could just kick myself for not getting those shots on time.
  2. gcvmom

    gcvmom Here we go again!

    Poor puppy! Did they try to just irrigate him with saline? Maybe that would help...
  3. flutterbee

    flutterbee Guest

    Awww, the poor baby.

    I hope you can get this under control.
  4. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    They would have to put him under general anesthesia to do it, which is about $700. Then he would get the infection again because of the inflamation. :(
  5. totoro

    totoro Mom? What's a GFG?

    I try to never think about the price... they are like kids. Poor thing.
    Clemey has to go next week for a full back and hip and knee x-ray. She is having huge hip issues, she is barely 8 months!!! I understand your snot issues! They are talking about all of these crazy surgeries, breaking her pelvis, shaving her hip joint.... I just want her to be pain free and she is in pain.
    Poor Bubba
  6. totoro

    totoro Mom? What's a GFG?

    They have to put her under and keep her all day... :(
  7. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    I wish I could say I was hopeful, but they told us to expect this to be the status quo until he passes from old age. I'm ready to give up on the anti-yeast and anti-rejections and just treat the infections as they come. It's just too darned expensive.
  8. GoingNorth

    GoingNorth Crazy Cat Lady

    Witz, not to scare you, but we had a similar problem in an older cat that turned out to be due to a tumor in the sinuses. We only found it after having a CT scan done on him.

    This was after years of antibiotics and steroids for outbreaks and by the time we found the tumor it was very advanced and was inoperable.

    We wound up having the cat put down once the discomfort and pain became too much.

    Problem is; a CT scan on a cat or dog costs just as much as it does on a human.
  9. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    Poor baby.

    I'm wondering. Could since his resistance is down right now, he be having allergy problems he might not ordinarily have? In humans docs seem to like to try something to dry up the snot while taking care of the infection part.

    I know all about doggie boogers. Betsy (lab/basset) is all about boogers with her allergies. It was bad enough that husband went out and cut down all the grass/weeds in the back yard. lol
  10. Lothlorien

    Lothlorien Active Member Staff Member

    Okay, your description of the boogers and where they are landing had me just cracking up. I'm glad I didn't have anything to eat yet, though. 6inches???? EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!

    Perhaps there is an allergy? Food, new carpet, mold somewhere, another animal? If they think it's yeast, try switching his dog food to a yeast/gluten free dog food. Buy a GOOD L.Acidolphilous at a reputible health food store and give that to him twice a day. No dairy. You may even be able to find dog food there, at the health food store. If you have a Whole Foods near you, they will have it.
  11. house of cards

    house of cards New Member

    I was thinking of allergies as well and benadryl is a whole lot cheaper, hope you find answers, he can"t be feeling that great, poor pup.
  12. Shari

    Shari IsItFridayYet?

    Ah, Witz, sorry bout your fuzzbutt. Tell him the Rockin B Zoo says "get well!"

    Ditto the benadryl suggestion. I'd talk to the vet first, but it should help dry him up a little, and I can't think that would hurt in this situation...Sounds like his nose needs dried up and hoovered out.
  13. Christy

    Christy New Member

    Yuck! You get the descriptive writing award for this post!

    Sorry for what your poor pooch and your bank account is going through. It is good news that he feels fine. You have certainly been patient and persistant and maybe thing will begin to improve. Maybe?

    I understand what you are saying about pets being family. We paid a thousand bucks to get a kitten, we were fostering from an animal resucue, exploratory surgery on her stomach to remove a piece of a dog toy that was small enough for her to swallow but to big to exit the other end. People think we are crazy since we could get a thousand more kittens to replace this little guy but that's not the point and animal lovers know this.

    I can sympathize with the snoring. Our chocolate lab keeps me up at night sometimes with his.

    Does animal planet have a show about hard to diagnose dog disorders by any chance?

    Good Luck
  14. Big Bad Kitty

    Big Bad Kitty lolcat

    I am so sorry for you and Bubba.

    "Bubba Boogers" is hilarious.
  15. witzend

    witzend Well-Known Member

    Thanks, all. There's been so much, I guess I left some out. Bubba gets 5 benadryl 3 times a day. Right now I think it is just thickening it up. Our allergies are all bad right now, and that could be a part of the problem, but they are green, so that's infection.

    He did have a CT during the x-ray/biopsy/lavage trip to the doctor. Those all showed nothing. Just lots and lots of snot.
  16. Abbey

    Abbey Spork Queen

    My gosh. 5 Benadryl a day? I'd be comatose. I take one and I'm out for the next few hours.

    Hugs to you for hanging in there for him. They are a 'mans' best friend.

  17. tiredmommy

    tiredmommy Site Moderator

    Could he be refluxing and therefore irritating his sinuses? I'm not sure of the anatomy on a dog, but my husband gets very congested when his reflux is acting up.
  18. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911

    You know I love critters and Bubba became a part of my extended family when I got a little dalmation happy meal toy - I put him in the cabinet and promptly named him Bubba -

    Okay - boogers are SNOT funny - and we need some help.

    And after all I read you have done - I came to the holistic solution.

    First - changing his food and doing an elimination diet is GREAT - Nutro lamb and rice is good for dogs with allergies.

    Next - I want you to start running a vaporizer at night for Bubba with either camphor or eucalyptis oil in it where he sleeps.

    Also - i want you to give boogers some Chicken soup broth. Maybe every other day if he'll take it alone fine - mine love it - and if he won't pour it over his kibble.

    Does he sleep with you? Wash your blankets and sheets in TIDE free or Dreft. Do not hang OUTSIDE to dry. DO NOT use dryer sheets unless they are like BOUNCE free. NO PERFUMES.

    Limit his time outside when it's cold.

    And - ready for the best laugh of the day? GET him some KY jelly and Q-tip it in his nose holes. It's a waterbased product and doesn't cause drying of sensitive membranes, it will help with keeping nasal passages moist. Wouldn't think it would help a snot nose kid - but it does. Those tissues get so burned after a time - KY helps. It helps me too in the winter - I use it at night and don't get nosebleeds any more. It's like breathing fresh fresh air.

    Holistically speaking - I think since conventional medicines have failed - try looking for a Holistic vet. There are also holistic foods.

    Natural remedies can help to safely reduce your dog’s symptoms of sinusitis, cut recovery time and also strengthen the immune system to prevent recurring infection without side-effects.
    Supplements to look for include:
    Nat. Mur (D6): reduces sneezing, runny nose, hayfever and other conditions linked to inflamed and watery mucus membranes.
    Pulsatilla (30C): used to help with yellow/green discharge and coughing or sneezing that is worse at night,
    Kali. bich (30C): for excess mucus and congestion.
    Glycyrrhiza glabra (Licorice): is a anti-inflammatory, anti-viral and anti-allergenic herb. It reduces inflammation by stimulating the anti-inflammatory hormone, cortisol.
    Thymus vulgaris (Thyme): Thyme has oils with antiseptic qualities that help treat infections in the sinus and respiratory system. Thyme also helps to relieve chronic coughing, muscle spasms and headaches.

    And if he gets diarrahea? Keep a can of pumpkin pie on hand and it will help curb the diarrahea. Also freeze some Gatorade ice cubes to replace electrolytes OR get some Pedia-lyte popsicles and give him 2 or 3 to improve his electrolites lost during diarrhea. And always in your dog box KAOPECTATE - nothing stops it faster, but it can also dry them out too quickly so call your vet for recommended doses and get a plastic syringe to SHOOT it down his throat.

    Personally my kids like the pumpkin but ONLY if I sit with it in a bowl and make a fuss out of it - Mmmmm mommy love it....yum here you try some. Yeah Mommy tried it and well i won't be using it for personal help. lol


    Sorry about bubby boogers - poor kid - Hope something I put in here gets you to a cheaper place and helps. I'm more inclined to believe this is a fungal thing EXCEPT - with medicines it should have cleared up by now.

    Hugs for you both -
  19. Star*

    Star* call 911........call 911


    Have they checked him for PCD?
  20. muttmeister

    muttmeister Well-Known Member

    I know you said you had him to a specialist but I'm wondering if there is a vet school near you? Sometimes they will treat difficult cases at a reasonable price as it is a learning experience for the students but you have the benefit of the best teachers and diagnostic equipment. Around here, if anybody has a problem that is not responding they try to take their dog to Manhattan Kansas as that is the home of Kansas State University's vet program. I know of several animals whose lives have literally been saved by them. Maybe worth checking into.