Computer help...I think husband is "surfing"

Fran

Former desparate mom
There was no indication of addiction or loss of intimacy.
I simply was addressing the issue of spying on an adult who is not doing anything illegal.
The pain and anguish that goes on with many women thinking they have failed as a mate because there is porn in their spouses life. It's unnecessary pain because they don't realize that it is fairly common. Watching porn and being obsessed with sports are sort of equal in my mind. I dislike both and I don't want it to use up my available time with my mate.
Again I am speaking of simply watching porn. No obsessesed or addicted to it or to the point that the intimacy of the relationship is affected.
I can't imagine that a discussion shouldn't be the first step in dealing with a disagreement within a marriage before spying,blocking or censoring.

There is a definite down side to some porn watchers who do become addicted to the point of pushing family aside. Sort of like social drinkers and alcoholics.
 

Suz

(the future) MRS. GERE
I agree with Fran. I couldn't imagine spying on my ex without exhausting every other up front avenue first. Looking at porn would not be an issue for me but the secrecy would.

Beth, you write lovingly about your husband in your signature. You've been married a long time. Talk to him. in my humble opinion, if he won't talk or tell the truth, that's a way bigger indication of problems than a website.

Suz
 

hearts and roses

Mind Reader
I think my post caused some confusion...I wasn't saying that the OP's H is an addict. I was saying that it could be a window into why some people are so averse to the presence of porn in thier lives. For some, porn is unacceptable, for others, it's just a natural part of being male.

I think the first step in any situation is to talk about it and I said so in my post. I never said to Beth, "leave your H, he's an addict"...I merely was bringing to light the fact that no one can tell another person how to feel about something. What one person can brush off as normal another person may be completely a mess about. Many of responses seemed to insinuate that Beth was making too much of it...but they are her feelings. Just to clarify...


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JoG</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If either spouse is engaging in a behavior that is upsetting and/or damaging to the relationship, it needs to be addressed.

There is no right or wrong reaction here. If it is bothering Beth, then it needs to be addressed and dealt with in whatever means she sees fit - and the outcome needs to be mutually satisfying to both Beth and her H. If he placates her and then becomes better at hiding the porn, she will inevitably make another discovery and be back at square one. If she feels so strongly against it, she cannot simply flip a switch in her heart and head and make those feelings go away - it is her core reaction that she needs to examine.

Beth, talk to your H. Get to the bottom of this and then make a decision about what you want to do. Can you live with this in your life or can't you? Is H willing to give it up in order to stay married to you?

If you try to spy on him over this, you are micromanaging him and his private time. It is a breach of trust for him to go behind your back and seek this out if he knows you don't want him to. However, it is a breach of trust for you to spy on him. If he promises you that he won't do it again, then you have to trust that he won't and move forward (and he can get some support for this change through counseling). If he proves to be a liar, then you have the opportunity to revisit your options once again.

Best of luck and many many gentle hugs to your hurting heart. Do not let anyone tell you you're over reacting or judging too harshly - to do that would be to deny your own feelings. </div></div>
 

saving grace

New Member
I also agree with Fran. I feel first and foremost that you need to have a conversation with him. What concerns me is you are instantly assuming he will deny? Has something happened in the past that is leading you to assume this? Does he have any other concerning "habits" that you both have had issues with in the marriage?

If you and he have a healthy normal marriage then talk to him, you could be way off base OR you could be opening a whole new set of issues.

He is a grown man, porn is common, some people have strong beliefs and feelings about it and some dont. What I am not sure of is if it is porn we are talking about. Is this what you are thinking?

Grace
 

Marguerite

Active Member
It's an addiction if it's a problem for him that interferes in his regular functioning. If you're going to discuss it with him that's good, in my opinion, because you need to have some understanding of boundaries with computer use through the whole family.

In our family it's husband who is the boss of the box, to a large extent. He includes us all in the discussion but is the one "on watch" so to speak, checking logs and scrutinising incoming emails and pop-ups. When he sees a problem in the making he goes to whichever family member was the likely cause and sorts it out.
During the recent film with autistic kids, the parents were sharing email addresses. I unthinkingly gave out ours, to suddenly find that one of the parents had set them all up on a yahoo mailing list which was open to the world! It was like a broadcast announcement to all the spammers, "Come on, guys! here are some free email addresses, live, ready and waiting!"
husband was really angry about it and when I spoke to the person who had done this, she said, "But the list is only for us - people have to sign up to get access to the list. I think he's being a bit paranoid, don't you?"
I told her about how his work email regularly collects about 100 messages overnight, mostly spam. She looked sceptical (bit I know it's true - I've seen it). I decided to not bother explaining, that spammers can sign up too, simply to collect the list. In fact, it's what a lot of them do, with something as wide open as Yahoo. We even got our family hacker to test our new ultra-private email address to make sure it was untrackable and uncrackable. Luckily I hadn't given this woman THAT one!

I know it sounds like I've gone off topic, but what I'm trying to say here - you sound like the equivalent of my husband - the family computer watchdog. If your husband has been surfing the dark side of the 'Net (as my husband does, both in the line of his work and in other areas, for curiosity) and he DIDN'T know enough to cover his tracks properly (ie he didn't know he was exposing you to pop-ups and spam) then he won't be able to do much better, even if alerted.

So if he pleads wide-eyed ignorance and the problems continue, make sure you have his OK to find out if it's your daughters. Don't give him details as to how you'll check, just say you'll "try and find out" if it's the girls. "Is that OK, husband?"
Of course he will say it is. If he's innocent, he will be worrying about what the girls may be up to. And if he's not innocent, he will be wanting you to THINK it's the girls.
He may be more careful - if all he's doing is dabbling in minor stuff out of idle curiosity, he'll probably stop. And you won't have anything to find.

But at least you will have his OK to do whatever you need to do to protect your family's computer.

There are so many things that can go wrong, if someone in the family is inappropriately using the computer. Identity theft, bank fraud, some nasty scams - they're the tip of the iceberg.

And if he STILL doesn't get it and thinks surfing the 'Net is harmless, get him to read "The Blue Nowhere" by Jeffery Deaver. He may never touch a keyboard again!

Mind you, if it turns out to be one of your girls, get THEM to read the book.

But I do agree with the others - the first thing to do is talk about it. And the main reason for tracking (if you feel it's necessary) should be primarily to protect the family from the fallout of careless usage. If you feel that your husband isn't being honest with you, after all you've been through together, that is a separate issue. And talking is always the best way.

Fran, I like the way you connect watching sport and viewing porn - I see both obsessions as fantasy, idle curiosity with the unattainable. In a way, with both the viewing/watching can replace the doing, which is where it becomes unhealthy (as in, couch potatoes not exercising; porn-obsessed males needing a reality check). I don't have a huge problem with men viewing porn, mild and in moderation - I guess because I used to work with men who had girlie posters all over the walls. I just stuck up my own all-male posters to remind them that they weren't the only gender in that workplace.
But with both, moderation is important, for the sake of health.

Honey, talk to him. And if you feel you can't, THERE is the problem. What you're concerned about now is only the outward symptom. But I do feel you need to emphasise healthy computer use, for the safety of the family.

Marg
 
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flutterbee

Guest
My concern would be not WHAT he is looking at or doing, but rather WHY does he feel the need to hide it? A spy program is not going to answer that question for you and it's not going to solve the, if any, underlying issue.

My advice would be to talk to him. Spying on him is a betrayal of trust in and of itself.
 

Stella Johnson

Active Member
Ditto what Fran said.

If he is just looking at it, I don't know any man who doesn't. Addiction is a whole other thing. Not all men that look at it are addicts.

I think you should talk to him before spying on him.

Steph
 

PonyGirl

Warrior Parent
Oh Beth I am very sorry for your pain. I don't have any advice but just want to say, "Been there, Done that, Got the Divorce"

My DEX started out just surfing, then went into chat rooms, then actually LIED to me and WENT to meet these people!! :nonono:

T'was a very bad day when I realized that. He told me he had a conference to go to for work, but really, he went to 'the big city' 4 hours south of us, and met these women. Talk about me being gullible!! :hypnosis:

You will know what to do. Trust yourself. Give yourself some time to gather strength (but just between you & me, I never felt 'ready') and believe that you will do the right thing when it's time. Whether that's talking to him or finding out for yourself just where he's been on the computer, you will know when it's right. :warrior:

I share your first name! I pray your husband is a much more honest man than my DEX was. (((HUGS)))

Peace
 

bby31288

Active Member
All, thanks so much for your replies. I agree spying isn't the right thing to do. Everything in our life is great relationship wise, which is why I was so surprised to even think something is wrong. In the past he has had trouble with chat rooms. He became so involved with it, he started sharing stuff with people in his chat room instead of me. It was a problem, I told him I felt betrayed. He was sharing himself with them and not me...They were specifically women. This was many years ago. Maybe this is what is in the back of my mind. He is also having trouble with Alchol (sp) and has been drinking a lot, something he never did. I love him so much, and don't think I can take another addiction. I don't think netnanny is the way to go. I don't want to spy forever, just wanted to know so when I approached the subject with him I had some proof so we could work on it. I have no doubt he loves me, we will be married 19 years in March. You just don't throw away 19 years of marriage. I am sorry if I upset some of you. I have decided to take a day on Saturday, just him and I and have a chat. I will tell him what I am thinking, and ask him. Thanks everyone..
 

Sunlight

Active Member
porn and sports are too totally diff things. sports is not a sin there is no comparison.

saying porn is no biggie is like saying smoking pot is no biggie. it can lead to much worse problems. even though drug use can be "common" to some people it does not make it right nor take away the pain it causes others.

Porn is simply wrong.

good job Jo of informing people of the dangers! Pony pointed out a possible progression of this stuff.

Would you want your daughter in the porn industry? a lot of those women are slaves to it due to being introduced to it at an early age, and drug addicted. it hurts not only the people in the porn but those who see it. those who think it is not a problem need to educate themselves more on the porn industry to see the evil there for all concerned. education on the subject would also tell you why the women are in it and what got them there in the first place. they stay many times out of fear, abuse, and threats to their lives. there is nothing good about it.


I hope you and your hubby work it out. it can be overcome.
 

Fran

Former desparate mom
bby, I think you have a wise and reasonable approach. 19 yrs is a lot of love to throw out for a mate who may be having problems. You work on them and hope things improve. If there is a good man in there, and you want to keep him in your life then by all means go for it. Give him your love and support. This isn't a reflection on you but possibly a problem that he is afraid to discuss.

Porn isn't one of my 10 Commandments. This is a discussion of betrayal of trust, not whether porn is or isn't sin.
Intense sports often leads to gambling addictions and an excuse to drink oneself into oblivion. Not to mention an excuse to get away from the wife or family. Just as intense porn watching leads to addiction and failure to be a responsible mate. I abhor the fact that women think it's the only way to pay their bills.I wouldn't want my son or my daughter to make this a living, or selling dope or stealing from people. They are not slaves being forced to do such things. They make their choice just as we all do.
 

tiredmommy

Well-Known Member
Beth,
I've been watching this thread with great interest. I really like that layers have been pulled back to expose the possible underlying issues. Is it addiction? Is it a break of trust (on both sides)? Is it leading to possible infidelity? All of these responses, I'm sure, will help you address this troubling issue within your marriage.
One thing I would like to caution the responders to this topic about is that we are not in the business of passing moral judgement here. While every one's views are important, it would be detrimental to all of us if this topic were to be treated as shameful because then we wouldn't have the opportunity to offer Beth the support she needs. Please tread carefully.
 
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flutterbee

Guest
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bby31288</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I don't want to spy forever, just wanted to know so when I approached the subject with him I had some proof so we could work on it. </div></div>

I can certainly understand that feeling. That would be my knee jerk reaction, too. Maybe you have some doubt about what you're feeling and want some proof before addressing it. That's understandable, too. But I think women, especially, sometimes forget that whatever our feelings are they are valid to us and that is enough reason in itself to start a dialogue.

I re-read my original post and I sincerely apologize if my original post sounded harsh. That certainly wasn't my intention. I am a very direct person and sometimes forget that the emotion/empathy behind the thoughts cannot be conveyed appropriately via only the written word.
 

TerryJ2

Well-Known Member
"...and has been drinking a lot, something he never did. I love him so much, and don't think I can take another addiction."

Ahhh, now I understand. I didn't want to reply b4... I thought if he was just looking, it wasn't that big of a deal. But now you're onto something. If he's talking to real people, sharing personal things he doesn't share with-you (asuming you're not the critical type, he's into "other" stuff), and spending waaay too much time doing it, yeah. Have a chat.

Strength and clarity for you, my dear. I can see/hear/feel that you love him.

Sigh.
 

bby31288

Active Member
Thanks all. The funny thing with the proof is, what if I'm wrong. Then I will feel like jerk. Like I don't trust him. I have done some snooping, tried to follow the directions and go back and change dates, but don't see anything? I just don't know what to do? Try and catch him? Forget it, figure for some reason maybe menopause that I am being parynoid (sp)? Ugh. He has been like a tryant (sp) lately. Makes me wonder if he knows Im on to something. Saturday can't come quick enough. It will be the only time he and I will have alone time. I have been bringing up the porn pop ups, etc. saying I wonder how the heck we got a virus, but so far nothing. Wouldn't live be eaiser if they just fessed up...LOL.
 

mattsmom27

Active Member
I don't have any advice as I am the type that would want to know, NEED to know, what was going on. However I also understand others comments about not spying on your own husband.
I have been through this once before in a 3 yr relationship and each and every time I snooped to get to the bottom of it. Each time I would ask him about it, he would deny things and become angry at me as if I betrayed him. I guess he was right, I had betrayed him by spying/snooping at his online activities. I also knew when I started that something was going on that was a betrayal of ME. That fueled my anger/hurt and lead to me doing the spying. Did that justify it? I don't know. I thought so at the time. I no longer am sure.
What I do know is that while I am glad that I learned that I was being betrayed (this wasnt porn, it was online with real women and a total manufactured world of his own making where I was the star villian, he was the martyr and all of his lies added up to women crooning over him and him looking elsewhere, it was horrible), looking back, I don't think had I known what exactly I had found, I would have probably not snooped to begin with. It was so hurtful to read some of the things that I read, most of it. What he was doing was wrong and destroyed him and I. I am glad I learned his true character. But I do think I would have figured it out on my own without the snooping anyhow and avoided reading some hateful lies about myself and having all the pain associated with that.
I do want to tell you that I do believe that online contact with real women is devestating to a relationship. It sounds like you've been through that before from what you have said. Perhaps when you have your conversation you should state that you have been through this before and you two have gotten through it and past it, and if that is happening again you want him to be honest with you so that the two of you can work through it again and try to get to the root of what is driving his need to do this?
Whatever happens, it sounds like you two do very much love each other and are committed to each other. I wish you the best and hope that you can have a productive and honest conversation.

Melissa
 

Lothlorien

Active Member
Why not just simply ask him? Tell him that you've noticed that he's deleting the history and you are curious as to why. Maybe he doesn't want the kids to fall on it?

If it were my husband, I would probably approach it with some humor. I'd probably tease him about it. If he flat out denies it, then you've got bigger issues.
 

timer lady

Queen of Hearts
Beth,

I've not followed this very closely. My husband is chemically dependent with BiPolar (BP) on top of that. He's functioning fairly well & has just had his medications tweaked.

When things were at their absolute worst about 7 months ago, there was so much anger, so much suspicion in our household. There was this huge brick wall between husband & myself & we tried to ignore it. Fortunately, the issue was forced with a much needed hospitalization for husband this past August.

Since then we have spent hours in marriage counseling. In the meantime, husband is facing his own demons, while I address some of my own.

I have learned that *confrontation* when my husband is non- communicative is counter productive.

Given your level of anxiety, it seems that you & husband need to sit down & start talking. Bring up concerns honestly - with no judgement. Listen - really listen to husband's response.

Take this for what it is - it takes two to make or break a marriage.
 
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