http://www.conductdisorders.com/for...rtners-right-now-45534/index4.html#post494254 Didn't want to totally hijack Janet's thread... So in response to IC... Things like this used to drive me batty. Now....I dunno....it is what it is and it is not within my circle of influence and for whatever reason, my self has accepted that. At almost 15, she still has no vision past high school. No plans for college or career. Even recently made a statement that she'd like us to move when she graduates....recognition that she's not going to live with a parent forever isn't even there. And again, why should it be? Mom lives essentially with her parents, and husband's parents, well, you've heard enough of that story...if they had their way, husband would still live at home with her, too. Hell, she can't even let go of what's on the menu for Christmas dinner.... So if that's the way it ends up for cgfg, I will chalk it up as a sad statistic, but there's not much more that I can do from where I sit right now.