Bill and I have been talking lately and he is DONE - seriously done - with his family and their behavior. As soon as the family farm is sold, he is cutting remaining ties - with all but one person. I strongly agree. This might be long. I need to vent. mother in law and father in law are manipulative narcissists, and we've cut ties with them as much as possible. We don't talk, visit, or anything. mother in law is only in contact due to the family farm. mother in law made a big deal out of formally adopting her stepson, who is in his forties, never married, childless. She did not marry his father until Bill and sister in law were out on their own, so stepbrother was not a big deal. He's easily manipulated... And then she made another HUGE deal of cutting Bill out of her will in favor of SS. Oh well... Don't really want anything of hers. father in law has constantly made a deal out of how much of a failure Bill is, and how if Bill would just listen to HIM everything would be perfect. The few times Bill did... It was a DISASTER. Bill's paternal cousins - are RABID feminists. Bill is not. Now, there is NOTHING wrong with feminism, but when I started getting nasty messages from one of the cousins' daughters at midnight, accusing me of all sorts of nasty things... Well, she couldn't message Bill, because he had her blocked. Basically he dared to disagree with them. So, no big loss. I recently unfriended the few that I still had on facebook, since they were locked down and couldn't see my posts anyway, and I'd unfollowed them. sister in law - is Daddy's Girl - seriously. She lives in a house that she and father in law bought together. Don't ever dare to say anything bad about father in law or those paternal cousins! We have suspicions that she has been telling tales to Pat as well. What, we don't know... He's been living with her for nearly 2 years. Niece - sister in law's oldest - ADORED Rose, and it was mutual. Sometime in the last year, niece unfriended me on facebook, and I only noticed when I went to tell her Happy Birthday and - well. I figured it was no big deal and messaged her, never heard back. Oh well. She was at nephew & his fiancee's baby shower a couple weeks ago. Niece shot me some dirty looks - I've no clue why, but whatever. Rose saw her and went FLYING ove... To be rudely rebuffed and pushed away. Niece looked at me and shook her head at me and flipped me off. Rose did not understand why her cousin didn't want to see her. Niece's two sons had clearly also been told not to speak to us. AWKWARD. I did not make a scene and managed to calm Rose down. Maybe I should have said something. But it was someone else's day, so... Anyway, I'm completely done with her, too. I don't know what her problem is, but her behavior stinks. This is only one example... So you don't get the whole picture... But it's typical. (According to her, Bill ruined a birthday for her because he refused to play nice with father in law... Never mind father in law's behavior.) Nephew, on the other hand, was happy as he could be to hug Rose (he has always been her favorite cousin) and she sat on his lap part of the time they were opening gifts. (LOL this was funny, all the kids wanted a turn with him and his fiancee. So he rotated about 8 kids, 2 presents each...) FWIW, he is also pretty disgusted with most of the family, but keeps the peace by nodding and smiling a lot. (Interestingly, niece and nephew's paternal grandmother - so no relation to us - was quite nice to me and Rose... Weird.) I'm sure y'all remember all the garbage with Pat and Belle, so I won't go into that here. So, basically, out of that whole mess of people, nephew and his fiancee are the only two I can stand - and same goes for Bill. He's gone so far as to suggest we change our last name and move away... OK, so we're already looking at moving, because the cold hurts, but I'm amused at the other. Though I seriously understand! Some people might wonder if it is Bill that is the problem, but I really don't think so. My parents adore him. My friends adore him. He has friends that are completely unlike him in many ways. I just think the toxic environment poisoned them all, and if he hadn't joined the Marines... He'd be just like them.