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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 728690" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Most mentally ill know it and some just want to use it as an excuse to do bad things, be lazy, not work hard to get better (it IS hard) and frankly it is often an excuse to smoke weed legally, although there is no proof it helps mental illness and plenty of proof it can trigger latent schizophrenia.</p><p></p><p>In the end, in the U.S. the laws say that we can't force anyone to get help for mental illness, cancer, MS, etc. We are legally allowed to refuse treatment of any kind, even if we don't understand we are sick (although I am guessing this is most common with psychotic disorders. There is denial but that is not the same .</p><p></p><p>I am not sure that even a lawyer appointed by simeones parents can force an adult into mental health treatment. I doubt it.</p><p></p><p>in my opinion if we expect our adult kids to do better and refuse to do everything for them that is far more apt to give them life skills. I know your son has been diagnosed with bipolar. So was I. Then it was changed to mood disorder not otherwise specified. Bipolar I is the only mood disorder that causes a lot of psychosis and that is usually in a manic state.</p><p></p><p> I was in a hospital for ten weeks at 23 and I saw true mania. Trust me, it is not just being angry. You get psychotic. Is your son that bad? Does he get so depressed he can't function or enjoy anything? I know what that is like. You don't get admitted to a hospital long term unless you are very sick. I went in voluntarily to get better and I learned and saw alot. There are milder mood disorders that are sometimes called bipolar or are milder forms. They are very treatable. But some doctor's don't explain the various types of mood disorders and scare us with bipolar as if we all have the serious kind. In fact even obvious mania and depression is highly treatable. You do need correct medications.</p><p></p><p>to me as a patient, Bipolar seems to be the flavor of the day. As a patient again, I dont have the feeling that a label from a psychiatrist is 100 percent true. Psychiatry is inexact. Every diagnosis is a crapshoot.</p><p></p><p>The most honest mental health professional I met was diagnosing my autistic son and was from the renowned Mayo Clinic. I remember every word he said. It was the first time in all my years talking to psychiatrists, psychologists and therapist that I felt I was being spoken to as an equal and told the truth. He was actually a neuropsychologist. He said:</p><p></p><p>"Every diagnosis is just the clinicians best guess. There are no blood tests. Mayo makes wrong diagnoses all the time."</p><p></p><p>He is right. I have had a slew of mood related diagnosis. I have come to believe I am just me. I know my abilities and how to take care of me. A diagnosis is a subjective opinion only. Everyone is different. Labels can be wrong.</p><p></p><p>You know your son. You know if he knows he needs help or is denying it for other reasons. You know if he has insight to life or not. You know if he is so sick with bipolar that he is psychotic at times. You are smart and can make good decisions. I have enjoyed self help groups to help the mentally ill as well as to help myself all of my life. For every one person who doesn't know he is sick, I would guess there are twenty others that understand they are sick but don't want to do what is necessary to get better. Some don't like legal medication, often for good reason. Some don't want to work hard in therapy or quit illucit drug use or drinking too much. Some believe they are sick but truly don't believe they can get help. I was that person once. I didn't think anything would help me,but I was emotionally alone and had a baby and I had to try. My parents would have held me back for sure if they had stepped forward to make my life easier. I needed it to not be easy. Yes, we are all different but mental Illness is hard and only the person can ask for help and try hard. I was very suicidal. But I am still here and my life turned out GREAT. I feel good that I did it.i feel good that I am now mentoring people with mental Illness, mostly young. They listen because I was there. I mostly encourage them to never give you on themselves. I go to a really cool club house for those with mental health issues. If I take a few weeks off they ask me where I have been. Their hugs warm my heart. Sometimes I am brought to tears. I am a crybaby!</p><p></p><p>So many people helped me, none of them family. I want to give back what I got. That is partly why I stayed here. Yes, I know sometimes I sound harsh and I am sorry. I may be thinking of my own path. If I ever get too harsh, take what works for you and please leave the rest. Or call me in on it soo I can apologize. None of you deserve to be hurt. I very much care for the mentally I'll. And for you struggling parents who DO care! You are heroes. You will be all right. Your kids do have to do this alone. But your love and emotional support....they will remember this in days when their heads are clear. Believe it or not I am grateful my parents walked away. It helped me a lot. I thank them, although at the time I didn't and, of course, they showed no compassion and called me "bad." This actually was just my mother. I didn't need her kind of help. You are not like them. You are angels.</p><p></p><p>Love and light.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 728690, member: 1550"] Most mentally ill know it and some just want to use it as an excuse to do bad things, be lazy, not work hard to get better (it IS hard) and frankly it is often an excuse to smoke weed legally, although there is no proof it helps mental illness and plenty of proof it can trigger latent schizophrenia. In the end, in the U.S. the laws say that we can't force anyone to get help for mental illness, cancer, MS, etc. We are legally allowed to refuse treatment of any kind, even if we don't understand we are sick (although I am guessing this is most common with psychotic disorders. There is denial but that is not the same . I am not sure that even a lawyer appointed by simeones parents can force an adult into mental health treatment. I doubt it. in my opinion if we expect our adult kids to do better and refuse to do everything for them that is far more apt to give them life skills. I know your son has been diagnosed with bipolar. So was I. Then it was changed to mood disorder not otherwise specified. Bipolar I is the only mood disorder that causes a lot of psychosis and that is usually in a manic state. I was in a hospital for ten weeks at 23 and I saw true mania. Trust me, it is not just being angry. You get psychotic. Is your son that bad? Does he get so depressed he can't function or enjoy anything? I know what that is like. You don't get admitted to a hospital long term unless you are very sick. I went in voluntarily to get better and I learned and saw alot. There are milder mood disorders that are sometimes called bipolar or are milder forms. They are very treatable. But some doctor's don't explain the various types of mood disorders and scare us with bipolar as if we all have the serious kind. In fact even obvious mania and depression is highly treatable. You do need correct medications. to me as a patient, Bipolar seems to be the flavor of the day. As a patient again, I dont have the feeling that a label from a psychiatrist is 100 percent true. Psychiatry is inexact. Every diagnosis is a crapshoot. The most honest mental health professional I met was diagnosing my autistic son and was from the renowned Mayo Clinic. I remember every word he said. It was the first time in all my years talking to psychiatrists, psychologists and therapist that I felt I was being spoken to as an equal and told the truth. He was actually a neuropsychologist. He said: "Every diagnosis is just the clinicians best guess. There are no blood tests. Mayo makes wrong diagnoses all the time." He is right. I have had a slew of mood related diagnosis. I have come to believe I am just me. I know my abilities and how to take care of me. A diagnosis is a subjective opinion only. Everyone is different. Labels can be wrong. You know your son. You know if he knows he needs help or is denying it for other reasons. You know if he has insight to life or not. You know if he is so sick with bipolar that he is psychotic at times. You are smart and can make good decisions. I have enjoyed self help groups to help the mentally ill as well as to help myself all of my life. For every one person who doesn't know he is sick, I would guess there are twenty others that understand they are sick but don't want to do what is necessary to get better. Some don't like legal medication, often for good reason. Some don't want to work hard in therapy or quit illucit drug use or drinking too much. Some believe they are sick but truly don't believe they can get help. I was that person once. I didn't think anything would help me,but I was emotionally alone and had a baby and I had to try. My parents would have held me back for sure if they had stepped forward to make my life easier. I needed it to not be easy. Yes, we are all different but mental Illness is hard and only the person can ask for help and try hard. I was very suicidal. But I am still here and my life turned out GREAT. I feel good that I did it.i feel good that I am now mentoring people with mental Illness, mostly young. They listen because I was there. I mostly encourage them to never give you on themselves. I go to a really cool club house for those with mental health issues. If I take a few weeks off they ask me where I have been. Their hugs warm my heart. Sometimes I am brought to tears. I am a crybaby! So many people helped me, none of them family. I want to give back what I got. That is partly why I stayed here. Yes, I know sometimes I sound harsh and I am sorry. I may be thinking of my own path. If I ever get too harsh, take what works for you and please leave the rest. Or call me in on it soo I can apologize. None of you deserve to be hurt. I very much care for the mentally I'll. And for you struggling parents who DO care! You are heroes. You will be all right. Your kids do have to do this alone. But your love and emotional support....they will remember this in days when their heads are clear. Believe it or not I am grateful my parents walked away. It helped me a lot. I thank them, although at the time I didn't and, of course, they showed no compassion and called me "bad." This actually was just my mother. I didn't need her kind of help. You are not like them. You are angels. Love and light. [/QUOTE]
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