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<blockquote data-quote="HereWeGoAgain" data-source="post: 44026" data-attributes="member: 3485"><p>I agree with you. It would be good to have an alternative between, on the one hand, jail, and on the other hand, treatment that difficult child can simply decide not to comply with. The standard for involuntary commitment -- imminent danger to self or others -- is too high for adolescents where the personality is still forming. </p><p></p><p>You are right that "forced change" doesn't work, but maybe, at least in some cases, a facility devoted to treatment (as opposed to punitive incarceration) but which is mandatory would be able to put them in an environment where maybe the message can get through and they start to want to change.</p><p></p><p>I once in a discussion tried to float the idea of such a system, an kind of alternative to the prison system, specifically for difficult child/substance abuse offences. Response was universally negative, between opposition from the left (no one should be locked up in any way, shape, or form if no one was directly harmed) and from the right (law and order/personal responsibility, the laws ought to be tougher, lock 'em up and throw away the key).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HereWeGoAgain, post: 44026, member: 3485"] I agree with you. It would be good to have an alternative between, on the one hand, jail, and on the other hand, treatment that difficult child can simply decide not to comply with. The standard for involuntary commitment -- imminent danger to self or others -- is too high for adolescents where the personality is still forming. You are right that "forced change" doesn't work, but maybe, at least in some cases, a facility devoted to treatment (as opposed to punitive incarceration) but which is mandatory would be able to put them in an environment where maybe the message can get through and they start to want to change. I once in a discussion tried to float the idea of such a system, an kind of alternative to the prison system, specifically for difficult child/substance abuse offences. Response was universally negative, between opposition from the left (no one should be locked up in any way, shape, or form if no one was directly harmed) and from the right (law and order/personal responsibility, the laws ought to be tougher, lock 'em up and throw away the key). [/QUOTE]
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