Well, I've found that one of N's triggers for extreme defiance potentially lasting hours (until we can get the meltdown out of his system), is...making him get off the potty and get back to his day. Now THAT's a little embarrassing to share with people outside of this forum. So, he's always been one to sit for many minutes and talk to himself, sing, play (with toilet paper, if there's not anything else in there to play with). It's kind of peeved husband and me from time to time. But tonight was one of those times when forcing him off the potty (and it wasn't even "forcing") turned him into the smiling devil. Do you know the one I'm talking about? The smile and the evil, "No, I will not." He had been sitting a good twenty minutes, all done with the pooping and the peeing, but just sitting on the toilet and playing with a toy motorcycle. And it was time to get ready for bed and he knew it. So I THOUGHT I was being proactive and I took the timer in and told him calmly that I was setting it for 15 minutes. He could play, do whatever, for 15 minutes and then when it rang, it'd be time to get ready for bed. "DON'T START IT DON'T START IT DON'T START IT!!!" I said, okay, I'll wait until you get your pants up. Still kept playing. So, I started it to show him I wouldn't wait any longer. It was like lightning a slow fuse, unfortunately. He threw the step stool out into the hall, jumped off the potty with-o any underpants, and when I asked him to finish his bathroom business, I got the evil smiling guy. He went upstairs without any underpants on and started harrassing little sister and fighting over the computer. I unplugged the computer and put it away. He crawled into his sleeping bag and cried for about fifteen minutes over that. Of course, the timer went off. Cried more. I convinced him to go put his underpants on, but there was no way I was going to force him to flush and wash--it would've been a knock-down/drag-out. He came into little sister's room as I was reading her some poems and leaned on us very annoyingly, wouldn't leave the room, then in his room finally after Daddy had stern words with him, cried and wailed and eventually screamed for quite a bit because the lights had to be turned out when he wouldn't put his pajamas on. Cried another good twenty minutes, and then calmed down, drank some water, and chatted with Daddy. husband did NOT LOSE HIS COOL TONIGHT. I am SOOOOO proud of him. Anyway, I just wanted to a) vent, and b) see if there was a point at which I could've cut this off at the pass. I had no idea just setting the timer (which seemed like a good idea) while he was still on the potty, would be the beginning of the end. It's not like it was even ever a basket B or basket C choice! And, c) how common is it for kids like ours to be able to transition OUT OF POTTY TIME??? Sometimes he takes too long at school and they have commented on it. Sigh. Thanks for listening.