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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 642813" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Disagree. It depends on the kids. All of jumpers friends, all of them, and even Julie and her friends had jobs. The reason was they did not have any money if they didn't have a job. It had nothing to do with the internet or television. If working is the only way to get money for nice clothes or driving, you work if you want it. The parents here tend to expect their kids to earn things themselves. Most do have their own cars, but not brand new nice cars that they have no responsible for keeping up.</p><p></p><p>Now that Jumper is eighteen I run into her even more well-to-do friends everywhere as workers. I've seen two at McD's (both high income parents), and many in retail stores and other fast food restaurants. One works in a nursing home and goes full time to college, quite a load. She does not complain. It is the personality of the child. Our kids that we talk about here don't work. We are here because we have adult kids who are not doing what they are supposed to do at their age level or even in society. So it seems HERE that most kids don't work. I don't see that in real life.</p><p></p><p>Where I live parents are basically doing ok. Some are doing a little less well, like us, and some are doing far better. The one common thread seems to be that the parents do expect their kids to grow up, work, go to school or work full time and pitch in as well as respect the family. <em><strong>The kids who are off-the-rails...we all know who they are</strong></em>. It's no secret. Small town Jumper and Sonic grew up in (although the bigger city nearby has the same sort of culture). The town difficult children do not work. They take drugs. They get into trouble. They get thrown out of their homes, then come back again. Then...rinse, repeat. They do not go back to school. Many were in alternative school then dropped out entirely. Some got high school degree, but nothing afterward...sitting around, smoking dope or worse, getting their girlfriends pregnant, or, if girls, getting pregnant. I can think of one off the top of my head and I cringe at both how ill-equipped she is to have a baby and how horrifying her boyfriend looks. I know you can't always judge a book by it's cover, but his face is pierced and tatooed, his hair is wild and greasy, he dresses like he picked his clothes out of the garbage, and he has a loving prosperous family. Where will he ever be able to work that will accept piercings and tatooes all over his face and arms? Some are skulls. At 20, his face is already going to impede him to work. Sad. But he has always been a problem. I can't imagine that he works and no job is listed on his FB (Jumper told me to check him out). All he says is he is trying to get a band together. Good luck with that.</p><p></p><p>difficult children are the exception, not the rule. Most people want to be independent and have good lives and are competitive at least to the point that they want to do what they feel flows with society. difficult children are different. It's not the videogames. It's not the TV. It's not the cell phones. All kids have that and most kids are not difficult children. It is the hardwiring of the particular person plus the degree that the parent of that difficult child allows that difficult child to get away without working or doing to school or standing alone. It is called enabling because that's what it is. Some people are going to fail no matter what we do, even if we cut off the money. They learn how to live on the streets. There is a culture there and it appeals to some. People on the streets are NOT alone. Often, they learn ways to get money, non-conventional, such as begging or stealing or conning people. Street people have ways.</p><p>Prostitution? I'd rather not even go there...but...</p><p></p><p>I always get a bit touchy when the things that every child has access to are turned into the reason "Kids are worse nowadays." Every single generation always thinks their generation did it better and there are a list of reasons why it is so, in their minds. This generation is fine, most of them. Nobody can judge young adults by difficult children. Even when our adult k ids live home longer because it is harder to get a job, most of them are not doing drugs, refusing work, not helping in the house, asking us for movie money, crashing up our cars, throwing childish tantrums, etc. etc. etc. And most have a goal to move out as soon as he/she can. Adults tend to be independent if they are not difficult children...lol. If!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 642813, member: 1550"] Disagree. It depends on the kids. All of jumpers friends, all of them, and even Julie and her friends had jobs. The reason was they did not have any money if they didn't have a job. It had nothing to do with the internet or television. If working is the only way to get money for nice clothes or driving, you work if you want it. The parents here tend to expect their kids to earn things themselves. Most do have their own cars, but not brand new nice cars that they have no responsible for keeping up. Now that Jumper is eighteen I run into her even more well-to-do friends everywhere as workers. I've seen two at McD's (both high income parents), and many in retail stores and other fast food restaurants. One works in a nursing home and goes full time to college, quite a load. She does not complain. It is the personality of the child. Our kids that we talk about here don't work. We are here because we have adult kids who are not doing what they are supposed to do at their age level or even in society. So it seems HERE that most kids don't work. I don't see that in real life. Where I live parents are basically doing ok. Some are doing a little less well, like us, and some are doing far better. The one common thread seems to be that the parents do expect their kids to grow up, work, go to school or work full time and pitch in as well as respect the family. [I][B]The kids who are off-the-rails...we all know who they are[/B][/I]. It's no secret. Small town Jumper and Sonic grew up in (although the bigger city nearby has the same sort of culture). The town difficult children do not work. They take drugs. They get into trouble. They get thrown out of their homes, then come back again. Then...rinse, repeat. They do not go back to school. Many were in alternative school then dropped out entirely. Some got high school degree, but nothing afterward...sitting around, smoking dope or worse, getting their girlfriends pregnant, or, if girls, getting pregnant. I can think of one off the top of my head and I cringe at both how ill-equipped she is to have a baby and how horrifying her boyfriend looks. I know you can't always judge a book by it's cover, but his face is pierced and tatooed, his hair is wild and greasy, he dresses like he picked his clothes out of the garbage, and he has a loving prosperous family. Where will he ever be able to work that will accept piercings and tatooes all over his face and arms? Some are skulls. At 20, his face is already going to impede him to work. Sad. But he has always been a problem. I can't imagine that he works and no job is listed on his FB (Jumper told me to check him out). All he says is he is trying to get a band together. Good luck with that. difficult children are the exception, not the rule. Most people want to be independent and have good lives and are competitive at least to the point that they want to do what they feel flows with society. difficult children are different. It's not the videogames. It's not the TV. It's not the cell phones. All kids have that and most kids are not difficult children. It is the hardwiring of the particular person plus the degree that the parent of that difficult child allows that difficult child to get away without working or doing to school or standing alone. It is called enabling because that's what it is. Some people are going to fail no matter what we do, even if we cut off the money. They learn how to live on the streets. There is a culture there and it appeals to some. People on the streets are NOT alone. Often, they learn ways to get money, non-conventional, such as begging or stealing or conning people. Street people have ways. Prostitution? I'd rather not even go there...but... I always get a bit touchy when the things that every child has access to are turned into the reason "Kids are worse nowadays." Every single generation always thinks their generation did it better and there are a list of reasons why it is so, in their minds. This generation is fine, most of them. Nobody can judge young adults by difficult children. Even when our adult k ids live home longer because it is harder to get a job, most of them are not doing drugs, refusing work, not helping in the house, asking us for movie money, crashing up our cars, throwing childish tantrums, etc. etc. etc. And most have a goal to move out as soon as he/she can. Adults tend to be independent if they are not difficult children...lol. If! [/QUOTE]
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