i just wanted to thank everyone for thier input. It is such a relief to know i am not the only one going through this battle. I just firgured out how to create my sig at the bottom so hopefully that will help you know a little more about us. and in response to a few questions early: Trust me it is not just socks or shoes that set my difficult child off, it is anything and everything last week it was sloppy joes sandwichs, then it was because we didnt have time to stop by the library. And we are open to try different things, we are to that point that i imagine everyone here has been to , willing to try about anything. And 1 thing that makes this all the more frustrating is i dont think he remembers the outburst or the fits he swears we are lieing on him, that he does not do those things so i have secretly been recording them on my camara, to show the doctor exactly what has been going on.