Kiddo, school, and related anxiety

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HaoZi

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Annnnnd here we go again. Kiddo had a minor meltdown in home Easy Child AGAIN. Minor being she didn't need to be removed from the room today. This results in a vague email about "escalating behavior" (really? wasn't yesterday WORSE? anyway...) and concerns about needing to be in better touch with her therapist.

Ummm... okay.... there are TWO caseworkers from the center that work with her at the school. TWO. They each come in once a week. They report directly to her therapist when they learn of/deal with an incident. Or report the good stuff if she's doing well. So the communication is there. I have signed all sorts of paperwork allowing the center to communicate with the school. Why are you not just calling her therapist directly? Her elementary school did. You can, too, I promise!

*headdesk*
 
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HaoZi

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I had to bite my tongue when I heard about today's meltdown. Today's? She couldn't participate in cooking because she didn't do yesterday's labwork because she had a (you guessed it) MAJOR meltdown. Because she was (GASP) wrong about something. Because, you know, difficult children are NEVER wrong about anything.

I even kept a straight face. But it was a near thing.
 

isis

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One of the key indicators for a possible Aspie diagnosis is difficulty forming and maintaining normal peer relationships.
And... not all Aspies have Anxiety, but a lot do.

Look for books by John Elder Robinson. "Be Different" is for parents and teachers, in particular. But any of his books are a good look into how an Aspie thinks, and how and why they behave the way they do (which is directly tied to how they think).

For example: Assume he takes everything totally literally. This gives kids a major problem with the most stupid things... like math word problems. If there is any ambiguity at all, they will see THAT in a different light than a neurotypical kid will... and most teachers will have no idea they "said" that (but they did).

Aspies need structure. They respond to positive teaching methods, but usually not to punishment.

That's just a couple of ideas off the top of my head.

I hope I'm not hijacking this thread, but (I will anyway). What's the diagnosis:
We figured out when difficult child born that he needed structure, and have relearned it over and over throughout his life.

He does not respond at all to punishment, it has no effect. Positive teaching methods have worked in multiple different arenas (as an example last year, we had a long sit down with a new young teacher who was trying discipline for impulsive behavior - i.e. interrupting sort of stuff, and their relationship was escalating - luckily teachers who had had more success with him and his psychiatrist were there; luckily also she tried some of things suggested and 1 month later gave me feedback: he's really changed, is much more positive - head slap!!, had to hold my tongue that she was the one who had changed as I was just glad she had!).

Sadly he does not have normal peer relationships, i.e. no friends really.

He does not understand puns, despises sarcasm and when he was younger was heartbreakingly befuddled by it (we were not the ones sarcastic) and is funny himself but often doesn't get others' jokes if they cannot be understood literally and concretely.

He does not like to be touched. He never cuddled his whole life, even hating to be swaddled as an infant (now I wish I had done it anyway). He will sometimes sit on my lap or fiddle with my hands. If his Dad touches him though, watch out. He is better now, but still can go through 10 pairs of shoes at the store before finding ones he can tolerate on his feet.

BUT he has a radar for other's emotions, if anything is over-sensitive to them, almost hypervigilant. He looks people in the eye. He does sometimes say socially awkward things but not often. This is why his psychiatrist is confident he doesn't have asperger's.

I'm seeing another picture here though. So much of what I've learned over the years of independent reading is that everything is a spectrum when it comes to brain function. My daughter cannot spell worth a d***, she does not have a learning disability but her two brothers do (language based). She's obviously on the spectrum, just within the 'normal' range of it.

I'm afraid to call him asperger's. No one will believe it. But it explains so much of the kinda 'eccentric' stuff. (I almost wonder whether a psychologist calling him eccentric at age 7 is diagnostic!) But I like the idea of looking for techniques that work for aspies. I don't know what visual schedules are, but I'll try to find out.
Thanks for the tips on books.
 
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HaoZi

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You need a specialist with a LOT of experience with Aspies. I'm a pretty high functioning Aspie and appear almost normal (just a wee bit strange). Kiddo appears higher functioning than she is (surprised even doctor when he tested her that she wasn't higher functioning).
 

InsaneCdn

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Ditto HaoZi.
Everything you wrote reads "aspie". And the whole "look people in the eye" thing? Red herring. You might THINK he does, but he may just have figured out how to appear to be doing that... by looking at the person's ear or nose. Or... he may do it sometimes, but not with peers or not when under pressure.
You need a professional who really understands Aspies.
 
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HaoZi

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New accommodation in language arts. In her school there are two groups of 6th graders, called "teams". Her team has to read 100 pages a week for language arts, the other team only has to read 100 MINUTES a week. I suspect her team is the more advanced students and this might have something to do with it, but it's made Kiddo feel pressured and like it's too much on top of the summarizing and everything else that goes with it EVERY WEEK.

Obviously Kiddo found this unfair. Also her reading comprehension is lagging behind her verbal comprehension, so added anxiety there, too. Sent email letting teacher know all this (since Kiddo finally spit it out to me in a nice rage), and they'll let her do 100 minutes a week instead, which will be much more doable, since we can set the timer for X minutes reading, X minutes free time, rinse and repeat.

Yay for progress, here's to hoping Kiddo will do her part.
 

InsaneCdn

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And you had to ASK for that???

Right. Even accommodations that cost absolutely nothing... are hard to get.
Way To Go, Warrior Mom.
 
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HaoZi

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And of course Kiddo didn't bring home her book, and got a zero on her reading log (that I signed) because she didn't turn it in. I can only help her so far, the school can only help her so far. She doesn't like the teacher whose job it is to help her with the reading, either, so... Kiddo has to help herself, too. That's where I'm running into the highest resistance.

And thanks InC. :)
 

TerryJ2

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Isis ... when you've met one kid with-Asperger's, you've met ONE kid. I don't care if my son is Aspie or not, as long as he gets extra accommodations and I see progress. :)

Ohhh, yeah, I get this, for sure: I had to bite my tongue when I heard about today's meltdown. Today's? She couldn't participate in cooking because she didn't do yesterday's labwork because she had a (you guessed it) MAJOR meltdown. Because she was (GASP) wrong about something. Because, you know, difficult children are NEVER wrong about anything.

I even kept a straight face. But it was a near thing.

 
I had to bite my tongue when I heard about today's meltdown. Today's? She couldn't participate in cooking because she didn't do yesterday's labwork because she had a (you guessed it) MAJOR meltdown. Because she was (GASP) wrong about something. Because, you know, difficult children are NEVER wrong about anything.

I even kept a straight face. But it was a near thing.

maybe its me, but what in the sam hill does a meltdown the day before in a lab have to do with the next days cooking lesson? and what specifically is she supposed to be doing while there is a cooking lesson going on...sit there at stare at everyone else having fun? does she get to watch people eat cupcakes?? that just seems cruel and unusual if you ask me.

that is a real reach for a consequence for a bad behavior....shouldnt that consequence be happening a) at the time b)somehow in direct correlation to the crime and c)maybe not at all depending on the actual reason for the meltdown.

i would imagine it would be more appropriate to work on calming down, cleaning up any mess she made, going to a safe place to have this meltdown (counselors office/nurse/bathroom), and working on the need to always be right.

it just seems like if i were a kid, no matter how smart i was, i might have a hard time connecting the dots to such a delayed punishment that has zero to really do with the crime....

is this something you spelled out in a BIP?
 
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HaoZi

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The lab work she missed due to first meltdown was learning how to make the next day's recipe. If she doesn't do the lab sheets for learning to make, she can't make it. It was French toast. She seemed mollified to watch me make it the following weekend (she didn't want to help me other than bringing home the recipe and I never remember the proper milk/egg/vanilla ratio). She was also surprised to learn that I know college kids who are just learning how to make Ramen and doesn't feel so bad now that she doesn't already know this stuff.
 
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oh. well that explains it better and makes more sense. i guess i was just assuming these were completely unrelated activities--like cooking one day, and disecting a frog the next.

but i always forget the ratio too, so tell her she's not alone. (i still need to get out my dusty betty crocker to look up the stuffed pepper recipe i make at least twice a month for the last twenty years--i always forget about the key ingredient if i try to wing it!)
 
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HaoZi

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ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

Kiddo came home and had a meltdown on me. Turns out one of her other teachers told her it "wasn't fair" that she had less language arts homework than her classmates. HELLO THAT'S WHAT THE IEP SAYS. Don't all the teachers have access to this thing? Kiddo finally decided she'd like her therapist and case worker to take it up with the teacher and principal as to handling the situation and not telling her things like that rather than having me do it.
 

Californiablonde

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What a terrible thing for the teacher to tell her. I don't blame your difficult child for having a meltdown. That was a totally inappropriate thing for the teacher to say to her. I hope the case carrier and/or therapist give the teacher hell for it. That really irks me to no end. I am sorry you are having to go through this.
 
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HaoZi

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It really burns my grits I can tell you. And she doesn't see therapist until Thursday, either. Teacher is the one who teachers her composition and social studies, so now she doesn't want to do those or language arts. GAH.
I do think it was wise of her to want her therapist and case worker to want to deal with the school instead of me, though. I was LIVID. I made it clear to her it's not her fault, she has an IEP for a REASON, it's to HELP HER, and her teacher was out of line telling her that.

She's still grounded from her Dsi for the meltdown, and she accepted that well enough once she calmed down. Progress!
 
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HaoZi

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She finished her second 9 weeks of language arts with a D-! That makes me happy. And sad that it makes me happy, but at least it's not an F again. The new accommodation seems to help, wish we'd thought of doing it sooner. Two weeks of break now and not having to drag her up at 5am or worry about homework and reading and meltdowns on her favorite home Easy Child teacher.

And next semester starts after the break and her science teacher will be teaching social studies after the break (I don't know why the school does it this way, but I think it's a good thing since she won't have two classes with the "That's unfair" teacher now). When I dropped off presents for her principal and home Easy Child teacher (Kiddo's choice to include them in the gift giving this year, personally I thought they deserved a nice bottle of liquor but the school board would frown on that) I ran into Kiddo's counselor at school and mentioned the incident about unfairness and Kiddo talked it over with therapist, too. One way or another it'll be handled and Kiddo seems cool about things now.
 
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