First, you need to understand that husband is a very passive person, not passive-aggressive, just passive. He has always had a hard time being the bad guy. That was my job, but recently, I've been making husband do it especially where his kids were concerned. So..... yesterday I took Grandma to the casino because I promised to. As I'm sitting there, I get a call from Ant saying "I'm at the volkswagon dealer, I need you and Dad down here now to sign papers, Dad promised"..... Hummmmmm??????? What??.... Called husband...."I promised to help"....Me: "Are you out of your mind!!??" Left the casino and went home to have it out with husband. First, we can't afford it!!! Hello.....we can't even get a loan to put gutters on the house because we have too much debt and you want to add more??? And what kind of car? How much?.... Turns out the kid wants a 2007 Jetta! Now I'm really angry. All of our vehicles together including husband's motorcycle don't equal what Ant's loan is going to be. And .....Duh...husband, just last week, you refused to let my take Ant off the cell phone plan because he couldn't handle a cell phone bill and now you want to help him with a car loan???????? And there was the "Why didn't you talk to me about this first???" ....."Well, when Ant called I told him we'd go talk to XXX (My dad's friend who owns a used car dealership) and see what he says"..... "Let me get this straight...You said "let's go discuss this and see how it works out" and Ant goes ahead and does this $15,000 loan thing without talking to you first?? Ummmm, I think that's BS." So, after an hour or more of discussions, husband calls Ant and says "No deal". Ant went off on husband...He's not going to drive any car that he doesn't love and how dare us and on and on.... then he called again and went off more, and repeated that again. Ant poked the bear one time too many. husband told Ant "We don't OWE you anything!!" Ant did apologize... And as of when I went to bed, Ant is going to see what he can get on his own.