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<blockquote data-quote="Dun Haddit" data-source="post: 636272" data-attributes="member: 17823"><p>I'm not trying to be the martyr, and as horrible as they are, I can't abandon my husband and leave him with all this. </p><p></p><p>I pushed him to get custody, but this was way before we knew how much damage had been done. The twins were programmed from the start to hate me and disobey. This has been proven and verified by the court and is on the record. The advocate we asked the court to allow to represent them has sent a letter to the supervisor, if/when visitation resumes with-her, that she cannot ask them questions, she can only play games. She's not allowed to whisper to them, either or they get yanked and visit over.</p><p></p><p>I freely admit, had I known then, what I know now, I would not have do e it all over again. She's a chronic welfare and unemployment whore so we were paying almost $3k a month in support. Even when we had custody of the 2 older boys, before we got the twins, we still had to pay $1200 a month - that was a 50/50 split of the kids. Now, that seems like a bargain compared to the $5k a month in legal and court costs, co payments for specialists, medications, therapists and psychiatrists. </p><p></p><p>There is that teeny tiny glimmer that maybe one will 'change'. Right now, it's not like it was 1 year ago. All the dr's are amazed at the 'work' I've done and how much I've helped, but my reply is always, 'at what cost?'.</p><p></p><p>I never thought I would ever be in a position where I could willingly walk away and leave. Hell, when my own daughter got mixed up with-drugs, I kicked her out. 2years not knowing if she was dead or not was a cake walk compared to this. I had to get her out because she was robbing me blind, but she was also 16 and had friends to live with. Not a one of these kids have friends. Nobody lasts long enough. Once the facade is discovered, even their peers flee.</p><p></p><p>My own family tells me to get out. His family is oblivious. He only has 1 sister even in the state, her answer is they need church. We can't let the wolves in the sheep pen. I know that the least amount of what I say is even believable, I always seem to look like the crazy person, it's so insane to think children can be like children if the corn, the bad seed or Damien in real life. We could never put them in a youth group, they'd eat everyone alive.</p><p></p><p>Part of me stays because I can at least try to be a buffer and if there are any friends or other people, try to ensure the least amount of damage is done....but everyone thinks I'm blowing it out of proportion until BOOM! The true being emerges. </p><p></p><p>After the girl was 5150'd, we thought there was a breakthrough. Then biovagina appeared at their therapy and everything good was destroyed again. The programmed child re emerged, she started palming her medications again (another court documented fact she tells JUST the twins to stop taking them). </p><p></p><p>Now anything we may label as progress is on the brink of collapsing - she got a job and will now be able to pay the monitor for visitation....JUST the twins. She doesn't give a crap about the boys, never did.</p><p></p><p>I know that doesn't answer any questions, may even make more. I can honestly say that I do love my husband, cliche or not, I'd take a billet for him.....I just keep getting shot over and over. The thought of him alone with them is the most compelling. I wouldn't wish this on an enemy, least of all someone I love. I guess supporting him (to a degree) is the main part. </p><p></p><p>If you had the chance to help someone out of a pit, but it meant living like the Middle East or watch them be eaten alive as slowly as possible - this is the what would you do situation. The best we could hope for is conservatorship that keeps them hospitalized or something as drastic. I don't want to be that person who unleashes a plague on the world. Just K alone would do damage....all 4? They have a pack instinct, too. I can't help but compare with animals, their behavior is so feral.</p><p></p><p>I can't tell you how much this place has helped. I'm not alone, I can vent and at least a little more of my woes are believable. I'm not crazy. But I'm also the only one who really knows and can read them. I can stay neck & neck at times, I can almost know what they think, try to head things off. That's why I was shocked K admitted everything to the therapist. As much as he has witnessed I know he still doubts the capacity of damage that can be done. No one will ever fully believe that some people have no redeemable anything to them. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sent using ConductDisorders mobile app</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dun Haddit, post: 636272, member: 17823"] I'm not trying to be the martyr, and as horrible as they are, I can't abandon my husband and leave him with all this. I pushed him to get custody, but this was way before we knew how much damage had been done. The twins were programmed from the start to hate me and disobey. This has been proven and verified by the court and is on the record. The advocate we asked the court to allow to represent them has sent a letter to the supervisor, if/when visitation resumes with-her, that she cannot ask them questions, she can only play games. She's not allowed to whisper to them, either or they get yanked and visit over. I freely admit, had I known then, what I know now, I would not have do e it all over again. She's a chronic welfare and unemployment whore so we were paying almost $3k a month in support. Even when we had custody of the 2 older boys, before we got the twins, we still had to pay $1200 a month - that was a 50/50 split of the kids. Now, that seems like a bargain compared to the $5k a month in legal and court costs, co payments for specialists, medications, therapists and psychiatrists. There is that teeny tiny glimmer that maybe one will 'change'. Right now, it's not like it was 1 year ago. All the dr's are amazed at the 'work' I've done and how much I've helped, but my reply is always, 'at what cost?'. I never thought I would ever be in a position where I could willingly walk away and leave. Hell, when my own daughter got mixed up with-drugs, I kicked her out. 2years not knowing if she was dead or not was a cake walk compared to this. I had to get her out because she was robbing me blind, but she was also 16 and had friends to live with. Not a one of these kids have friends. Nobody lasts long enough. Once the facade is discovered, even their peers flee. My own family tells me to get out. His family is oblivious. He only has 1 sister even in the state, her answer is they need church. We can't let the wolves in the sheep pen. I know that the least amount of what I say is even believable, I always seem to look like the crazy person, it's so insane to think children can be like children if the corn, the bad seed or Damien in real life. We could never put them in a youth group, they'd eat everyone alive. Part of me stays because I can at least try to be a buffer and if there are any friends or other people, try to ensure the least amount of damage is done....but everyone thinks I'm blowing it out of proportion until BOOM! The true being emerges. After the girl was 5150'd, we thought there was a breakthrough. Then biovagina appeared at their therapy and everything good was destroyed again. The programmed child re emerged, she started palming her medications again (another court documented fact she tells JUST the twins to stop taking them). Now anything we may label as progress is on the brink of collapsing - she got a job and will now be able to pay the monitor for visitation....JUST the twins. She doesn't give a crap about the boys, never did. I know that doesn't answer any questions, may even make more. I can honestly say that I do love my husband, cliche or not, I'd take a billet for him.....I just keep getting shot over and over. The thought of him alone with them is the most compelling. I wouldn't wish this on an enemy, least of all someone I love. I guess supporting him (to a degree) is the main part. If you had the chance to help someone out of a pit, but it meant living like the Middle East or watch them be eaten alive as slowly as possible - this is the what would you do situation. The best we could hope for is conservatorship that keeps them hospitalized or something as drastic. I don't want to be that person who unleashes a plague on the world. Just K alone would do damage....all 4? They have a pack instinct, too. I can't help but compare with animals, their behavior is so feral. I can't tell you how much this place has helped. I'm not alone, I can vent and at least a little more of my woes are believable. I'm not crazy. But I'm also the only one who really knows and can read them. I can stay neck & neck at times, I can almost know what they think, try to head things off. That's why I was shocked K admitted everything to the therapist. As much as he has witnessed I know he still doubts the capacity of damage that can be done. No one will ever fully believe that some people have no redeemable anything to them. Sent using ConductDisorders mobile app [/QUOTE]
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