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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 718677" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Psychiatric disorders are not certain diagnoses. Psychiatry is a very inexact science. A person can get ten varying diagnoses depending upon the person doing the diagnosing, the way the person diagnoses (testing vs. just listening) and even the country you live in. Some countries diagnose ADHD very little, some a lot. Country by country psychiatrists have biases. There are NO NO NO ways to verify a diagnosis in psychiatry. None. Just the constantly changing DSM and I believe a different book is used in Europe.</p><p></p><p>Very inexact.</p><p></p><p>When I first came to this forum, ODD was seen amongst posters, mostly American like me, as just a placeholder diagnosis that does not stand alone...that mostly therapists used it when they had no idea what was wrong. Conduct disorder was seen by posters more as ODD in a grown person...more refined ODD.</p><p></p><p>Sam, I personally feel your son has many high functioning autistic traits. Even smart autistics are usually clueless about other people and life and many need help as adults. My son is on the spectrum and is basically on his own with very little help, but he had a great deal of interventions for autism all his life. I could not ever send him out in the streets either. In my case it is immaterial. He has never been a problem and works very hard, avoids drugs and alcohol, and exceeded all expectations. Some adults with challenges should never be tossed in the streets. Some are too challenged to figure it out.</p><p></p><p>But some need it and often we do too. I have one son and one daughter who had to leave...one fir drugs snd one for being abusive to the family. Both are doing well now, but I couldnt live with either at one time.</p><p></p><p>I am close to them both now.</p><p></p><p>I think this rattlng-on post was just written by me to say we know what is right for us and our adult children. Also, what is right for us and them often changes with time. And also...that we need to be careful of diagnoses. The psychatric world is often theory right now, not proven science in many cases. Question any diagnoses.</p><p></p><p>My son IS a spectrum kid, but we did tons of research and he had much diagnosing. Only autism interventions helped him. So we know by trial and error. He had many other diagnoses first, but the treatment for them did not help him. ADHD, ODD and bipolar were three diagnoses he had, but they were not the right ones. He isnt even moody. He was more just....differrent. naive. Needed help learning to live in tjis world. He got that help. He lives on his own, on his own dime. He is comfortable with himself now.</p><p></p><p>Good luck to all. Nobody is right or wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 718677, member: 1550"] Psychiatric disorders are not certain diagnoses. Psychiatry is a very inexact science. A person can get ten varying diagnoses depending upon the person doing the diagnosing, the way the person diagnoses (testing vs. just listening) and even the country you live in. Some countries diagnose ADHD very little, some a lot. Country by country psychiatrists have biases. There are NO NO NO ways to verify a diagnosis in psychiatry. None. Just the constantly changing DSM and I believe a different book is used in Europe. Very inexact. When I first came to this forum, ODD was seen amongst posters, mostly American like me, as just a placeholder diagnosis that does not stand alone...that mostly therapists used it when they had no idea what was wrong. Conduct disorder was seen by posters more as ODD in a grown person...more refined ODD. Sam, I personally feel your son has many high functioning autistic traits. Even smart autistics are usually clueless about other people and life and many need help as adults. My son is on the spectrum and is basically on his own with very little help, but he had a great deal of interventions for autism all his life. I could not ever send him out in the streets either. In my case it is immaterial. He has never been a problem and works very hard, avoids drugs and alcohol, and exceeded all expectations. Some adults with challenges should never be tossed in the streets. Some are too challenged to figure it out. But some need it and often we do too. I have one son and one daughter who had to leave...one fir drugs snd one for being abusive to the family. Both are doing well now, but I couldnt live with either at one time. I am close to them both now. I think this rattlng-on post was just written by me to say we know what is right for us and our adult children. Also, what is right for us and them often changes with time. And also...that we need to be careful of diagnoses. The psychatric world is often theory right now, not proven science in many cases. Question any diagnoses. My son IS a spectrum kid, but we did tons of research and he had much diagnosing. Only autism interventions helped him. So we know by trial and error. He had many other diagnoses first, but the treatment for them did not help him. ADHD, ODD and bipolar were three diagnoses he had, but they were not the right ones. He isnt even moody. He was more just....differrent. naive. Needed help learning to live in tjis world. He got that help. He lives on his own, on his own dime. He is comfortable with himself now. Good luck to all. Nobody is right or wrong. [/QUOTE]
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