New here - 8yo son's anxiety exhausting

Marguerite

Active Member
The more I read about this boy, the more I hear "Asperger's!" screaming at me. I've just come home form church where I was having several lnog conversations on this topic with several different people, it was as if they planned it (but I know they didn't). I started it, I suppose, by talking about the film "The Black Balloon" with a visitor from England who has escaped the cold to thaw out Down Under for a few weeks. People overheard, and it went on from there...

What I hear in this -
* sensory integration problems (some shirts and trousers he refuses to wear) - often this is due to how it feels after a while, you can;t always tell right away.

* doesn't like taking medications or using lip balm - again, sensory. We had the problems of lip-licking with easy child 2/difficult child 2 and yes, it was always much worse in winter. What fixed it was using lip balm, one she chose, and leaving it in her pocket to use when she anted to. Once she began using it (over-using it, really) I bought bulk supplies so when she lost one or used it up I had plenty of spares. And on the anxiety front - you need to be cautious with Zoloft (monitor his moods when he first begins taking it) but difficult child 1 has found immense relief from his anxiety & Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) with Zoloft. difficult child 3 can't take it, unfortunately.

* obsessive way he plays - spreading Lego everywhere is a easy child trait as well, but you do get it a lot in Aspies. It's a matter of degree. what does he build? Does he always build the same sort of thing? And how does he sort the Lego? By colour? By shape? By size?
A tip for managing Lego (or the "dump" tendency in general) - invest in a bolt of heavy calico or similar. You choose the material you want. Then buy some large metal rings that can be hammered into the fabric to make reinforced holes. Cut out large circles (about 2 metres across) and make even, laerge, reinforced holes around the edge (about a handspan in from the edge, which needs to be hemmed or bound). Thread a nylon cord through the holes but leave it long enough so it completes the circle and doesn't draw it up while the circle is lying flat on the ground. Tie off the nylon rope into a complete loop so it can never be pulled out. Then spread it out on the floor and put all the Lego in the circle. This is now the play area. When it's time to tidy up. just pick up the nylon rope on both sides of the circle, and lift. All the Lego should now be inside one huge sack. To play with Lego again - drop the sack and open it out. Do not remove the Lego from the sack, just instead turn the sack into a Lego-covered rug.
Make more of these according to what he chooses to dump (ie marbles).

* tics. Or stims (self-stimulatory behaviour). Sometimes it's hard to tell one form another. You get these in a number of conditions including Asperger's. They are acoping mechanism, they may not even be aware they are doing it. Sometimes it's not obvious - difficult child 1 used to love to look up at the flicker of light through the leaves on the trees. As a newborn, he would crane his neck to get under the trees and then turn to look at the light. We realise now he was stimming, in the same way a more obvious stimulant would be flapping hands in front of the face. Both give a flicker effect which is beleived to be soothing to the brain. difficult child 3 also had a funny nose twitch, plus he and difficult child 1 both had/have a vocal tic or stimulant, which sounded like a throat clearing. difficult child 1's began as an imitation of a male emu calling his chicks (sounds like a backwards gulp). Then he couldn't stop.

* the funny memory thing. difficult child 1 has this, difficult child 3 does not. I have called it a short-term memory deficit, but it's actually part of ADHD, where the second instruction just doesn't get through to be laid down as memory. difficult child 1 learned to compensate for his short-term memory problems, by really developing his long-term memory to compensate. His memory is prodigious - once it gets past the hurdles.

Something to check out - whether he really is fussy about certain feelings or textures. This could spill over into food, if there are foods he dislikes because of their texture. YOu can't force these, you will need to be flexible with him over these.

Also to check out - how flexible his joints are, especially his finger joints. He may have been delayed in lerning to tie his shoes, because his fingers hurt when he tries to do small movements with them. For example tying shoes, or handwriting. Watch his fingers as he holds a pencil - what is his grip like? He SHOULD by his age be holding a pencil in the mature pincer grip, with his finger joints curled in slightly (or at worset, straight). There should be not the slightest hint of a joint (knuckle) bent back past the horizontal. When the finger joints DO bend back, you lose control and you try to compensate by gripping tighter. This makes the joints bend back even more, and so on. Vicious circle that quickly leads to pain and fatigue, and the kids then do their utmost to avoid writing tasks. Because this is normal for them, they don't know to tell us that it hurts, they think it's the same for everybody and they just have to live with it. But it hurts! So they try to avoid those tasks.
There are things you can do if this is happening, but the first step would be an Occupational Therapist (OT) assessment. Our kids were assessed as having hypermobile joints and were thereby granted use of computer for writing tasks. We're looking into ring splints.
An Occupational Therapist (OT) can also look at any sensory issues. A psychologist can also give training in techniques to cope with anxiety. Every bit of help counts.

Anyway, that's just a few ideas quickly. What we're trying to do is find ways to make your job easier, to help him make your job easier, but it does involve seeing how he functions and adapting what needs to be done, around what he feels compelled to do.

You can't change too much or expect him especially to adapt to too much in too short a time. It's a slow process, but it is possible, long-term. Bit by bit.

Marg
 

YoyoMama

New Member
Marguerite - thanks for your interest and the time you have taken to help me out. I do see that some of the things I have written about my son also fit some of the symptoms of Auspergers but that diagnosis doesn't fit my son.

He has been in the care of physicians who are excellent diagnosticians.

I am familiar with asperger's and I am familiar with other aspects of autism. I have great compassion for parents and children with all of those issues but my son does not fall into that catagory. I actually am not looking for diagnoses in coming here but just in finding others who are dealing with difficult and frustrating behavior that most other parents don't have to deal with.
 

Sheila

Moderator
If the tics are because of the medications, I'd look a little deeper into it. It's called Tardive dyskinesia (TD).
 

Marguerite

Active Member
If you've had the top people looking at your son then I respect that they don't feel Asperger's is it. That's cool. I didn't realise just how much brainpower has already been thrown at this. I'm glad you have been able to access so much help, because it's nnot always available. The best paretns can be trying to beat down doors and still not et the information and access to diagnosticians that they need.

So if you look at tyour son and the areas where he is having difficulties, and look at it from the point of view not of diagnosis but of how he presents, that may be the best you can get for now.

We tried to get some really good answers re difficult child 1's weird memory problems, and we STILL havwen't got a lot of info even though he's almost 25. Crazy, really. However, the best answers we have got for him, came from a top-notch Speech pathologist. Ditto for difficult child 3. The SP analysed all the sub-tests and went into minute detail, even for areas where the boys scored within normal range. What she found was that if you look at WHERE the boys scored in the tests (on the low end of normal, or the extreme high end of normal) you got some apparently paradoxical results. When she analysed these a bit more, she was able to make some interesting conclusions; that is where we finally were told that difficult child 1's short-term memory is actually quite good, it is his attention and distractibility that is letting him down.

Yoyomama, my interest in helping you and your son remains undiminished, even if he has clearly had Asperger's ruled out. There are enough sub-similarities (the Sensory Integration Disorder (SID), the anxiety, for example) where what we have been through may be of use to you.

And that's pretty much how it works here - we toss ideas into the ring, we share what we've worked out for ourselves and sometimes things can be of use. And sometimes not.

Since my previous post, husband & I went to the beach for a quick swim. While we were there, a neighbour whose son is more severely autistic turned up with her kids. Her autistic son is now talking in sentences, I noticed. However, he is not making a lot of sense. I went over to talk to her and we compared notes. IN a lot of ways, I can't tell her anything because her experiences are too different. However, I was able to pass on to her an idea she had never been told about, mainly because it was just one of those things I worked out for myself. It's something she got really excited about because it will be a fun project to do, as well as probably really lovely for her son to have (a pictorial diary of a really fun day they had yesterday; even as she was mentioning it, the boy was coming out with phrases describing his wonderful day, I could hear how happy it had made him).

I'm not suggesting you do that - only saying, sometimes you can get about fifty incorrect or ineffective ideas, before a really good one comes along. And I might contribute most of those fifty, then someone else will read your responses and it will trigger something in them which produces the genius 51st.

I don't care if it's my idea, your idea or someone else's that clicks for you - if anything clicks and leads you to finding something you can really make use of, it's a win for all of us!

I guess because so many of us have been in the "It's bad parenting," or "He's just a naughty child" category, that we band together the way we do.

One huge thing I've got form thissite, is the courage to make the changes we had to make, and then the courage to stick with those decisions. As time has gone on, we've seen such improvement, it has been wonderful. But that early stage where I took some big chances - I could have backed down and reversed tose decisions with my tail between my legs. I am so glad I didn't.

I hope we can help, that some of the suggestions are ones you can use. If not, keep throwing in the problems you would have and we'll keep trying to find ways around it.

Marg
 

SRL

Active Member
Marguerite - thanks for your interest and the time you have taken to help me out. I do see that some of the things I have written about my son also fit some of the symptoms of Auspergers but that diagnosis doesn't fit my son.

He has been in the care of physicians who are excellent diagnosticians.
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One thing I will mention just so you are aware of it: if child psychiatrists and/or regular psychologist are the only specialists that your child has been seen by and you're still not making good forward progress, you might want to branch out to include pediatric neuropsychology, pediatric neurology, etc. We've seen waaaaaay too many missed or partial diagnosis's reported here by parents who utilized those specialty areas, which is why posters are making the suggestions they are. As with any advice you get here, take what is useful and leave the rest.
 

YoyoMama

New Member
Thanks SRL, I do find the pushing of diagnosis offputting. I have been in situations in which the doctors. did not listen and their diagnosis was clearly not on target but that is not the case with my son. I came here looking for support but not to have diagnoses pushed on me.

The support would have been nice but the filtering I feel I must do in order to shield myself from the unwarrented diagnoses is simply not worth it. It apparently works for those who stick around and I am sorry that it is enough of a deal breaker for me.

I know my son and know what his basic issues are. I was looking for support and suggestions about how to handle what is on my plate but each time I write something about my struggle someone is CERTAIN that that spells auspergers or tourettes or something else. ENOUGH.

Good luck to you all. I bid adieu.
 
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