Since were on the subject!!! LOL How do we get K to wipe??? Or to start trying??? With BM's??? She can wipe when she pees. But when she goes number 2, forget about it!!! It is complete shutdown, we have been having talks and asking her to try, showing her how to do it, letting her know that we don't like doing it and she is a big girl!!! What if she is somewhere and she needs to go??? NOPE... I know she can at least attempt to do it... I am not looking for perfection here!!! Just a swipe or something. So last night she in the bathroom... so she does her usual, screams out, "I'm DONE!", so I say, "Done what?" she yells back, "Done going poopy, can someone come and wipe me?" so I say, "You wipe first and I will come in and check your work, OK" That did it, she started screaming... "I can't, NO I will not wipe, NO, NO, NO!!!" I came in and told her she could and I just wanted her to try, handed her a wipe and told her I knew she could... pep talk etc. She threw it at me, started slamming the shower door, screaming. This went on for 1/2 hour... She just shut down, refused. Finally at the end, she swiped her butt, barely, mad. Screaming at me the whole time, said she could not do it and see Mom I am horrible. I tried to tell her she did a great job wiping. After we had a talk and I explained to her once again why, she was much calmer. She said sorry and she understood... but we will go through this again... She is not a kid who falls for bribes. She was on the toilet for almost an hour total... last night! She could care less!!! She is a funny little kid! Drives me crazy, but very funny. any ideas???