klmno
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I didn't get the job I interviewed for- I'm disappointed but understand. I have managed projects and people assigned to help me complete those projects but have not managed other primary managers. Either they didn't clarify that's what they were looking for in their ad or I misunderstood it. The places I've worked for in the past only had partners or office owner doing that. Anyway, they were very nice about it so I'm ok- except that now I'm left with difficult child boss.
I never recieved a "your fired" letter or anything from this company. I'm out of town this week so I discussed the situation with someone here to get her advice. I'll have to explain the structure of this job organization for this to make sense.
There's a big government organization (client) who contracts work out to companies. One company pertaining to me has a contract that is set to expire at the end of this summer (I'll call that company "A"). That company subbed out a portion of the work to a smaller company and that's the company I actuall work for- I'll call it company "B". Now, my boss supervises all people in this region who have this job title that I do whether they work for company A or B. The higher up's in company B apparently couldn't care less what boss does as long as client is happy because both company A and B want a new contract with the client when this one runs out and B is going for it with and without company A, although A doesn't know that.
Then, throw in a client's rep who boss and I work directly with when in our home town and not away on a business trip. That client's rep (I'll call him T), is trying to be above board but I honestly don't think he has a clue how decieving boss is to CYA himself or manipulate client's rep. Oh- and client's rep and boss don't get along with the point-of contact (POC) of comapny A.
So today I discuss my ordeal with boss to another person that works for client and knows all these people a little but not a close relationship and who is completely outside of the contract issues, etc, thinking she could be objective as anyone who could understand it and give me some advice. She said it seems obvious to her that boss is working to get me out of there quick but she doesn't think the client's rep we deal with is quite that blind to boss's ways. She told me to speak with client's rep alone and say, since he wants me to work with him directly on next contract and since he is our main POC for client, would he remain involved in communication between boss and I so if I am misunderstanding boss's communication than he can help me understand what I should do differently.
Then, she said document all of boss's previous things that seem out of line and get a tape recorder so the next time boss and I are alone and he tells me something different than client's rep has said or something than boss himself has said when client''s rep is around or when boss is going ballistic on me after sitting there acting so reasonalbe in front of client's rep, I can record it and play it to boss's rep. I told her this would create a ballisstic situation. She said yes, but I had nothing to lose and boss isn't going to wait long before completely discrediting me and ruining any job possiblity. She has a point but I'm really worried that boss already has client's rep turned against me. She told me if that's the case, all this documentation can be used later to show that I did report it to someone representing client and this is what T did or didn't do. Otherwise, I didn't try to resolve the issue. The bigger problem in all this though is that neither company A or B has a real policy for grievences and none of them are holding boss accountable or even are involved enough to know if boss was lying out his rear.
I wanted to get your all's ideas, opinions, etc about what to do.
Then this afternoon, I get an email from boss (funny how this is the first in the past 5-10 he's had any response to) and it copied the p[erson at company B who does payroll, who is also handling security clearance paperwork and is company B's owner's daughter. Boss asked me to change my timesheet because 1) I came in after 7:30 on Fri morning and left at 9:00 and I'd indicated I worked 2 hours on Fri and 2) I had indicated 1/2 hour of work on Sat and he had no idea what that was for and he hadn't authorized it, as was required by policy.
OK, first- I came in 5 mins late, or at least less than 10 mins late. I left after 9:30. I had written 2 hours on my timesheet for Friday. I have checked my company computer and verified this by emails sent out by me and the time/date showing on a file for "last modified". Second, on Sat. I spent 1/2 hour on the government computer checking emails from Friday late morning and afternoon because other people were emailing asking me questions, as boss had told them to do. Boss doesn't respond to their emails either and when I'm out of town, I don't have the same email access as I do at home. It's available but I can only do so much with it during the day- hard to explain without getting into too much detail. I had responded to an email on Sat, as well, and copied boss and have that on my computer so it can be proven. Was it previously authorized by him? No, not sprecifically, but he - even in today's email- said "exceptions could be made when on out of town trips". Well, this kind of thing has never been an issue before. I wasn't out of town over the weekend but left Mon morning and knew I wouldn't be able to respond to that lady at least until Monday afternoon if I didn't do it then. So what really is the problem? Boss has done all these things himself and let's "drug-boy" come to work whenever he wants, claim comp time and take off work whenever he wants and never has an issue. Boss never had an issue with me doing this before either, although I really don't think I have lied and taken advantage of it, but now all of a sudden, it's an issue.
I can't wait until I'm back in town to respond to this due to timesheet date requirements. Therefore, I'm thinking about emailing back, copying company B's same person, saying that I have double checked documentation on my computer and I in fact did work 2 hours Fri therefore, I am not going to change that to 1 1/2 hour. As far as Sat, I did ABC, sent out an email in repsonse, which boss was copied on. Remind him (so other lady will know) that I am out of town this week and based on previous communications, had not thought there was reason to have this authorized ahead of time by him. However, if this is how he wants things done now, I will remove that 1/2 hour of work. Then, ask if he will let me know in writing what the specifics are for overtime work when out of town since some things can only be doen from the hotel room and I try to make the most use of my time when at these sites. Also, since company B doesn't pay overtime but allows comp time to makeup for overtime hours, please confirm that if I am expected to work overtime while on trips, that I will be allowed to take it on weeks I am in town because I have been scheduled to be out of town almost every other week and as a result get very far behind in necessary personal appts, phone calls, etc.
Also, if there is a way to bring up that I'd like it in writing what boss directs from now on, I'd love it. There are a lot of things that he's reniged (sp) on- example- telling me when I took the job that I'd be travelling about once a month. HA! Is there a nice way to work in something like "since I seem to have difficulty keeping up with the changes in your direction, could you please put them in writing in the future and copy either T or (whomever)"??
I never recieved a "your fired" letter or anything from this company. I'm out of town this week so I discussed the situation with someone here to get her advice. I'll have to explain the structure of this job organization for this to make sense.
There's a big government organization (client) who contracts work out to companies. One company pertaining to me has a contract that is set to expire at the end of this summer (I'll call that company "A"). That company subbed out a portion of the work to a smaller company and that's the company I actuall work for- I'll call it company "B". Now, my boss supervises all people in this region who have this job title that I do whether they work for company A or B. The higher up's in company B apparently couldn't care less what boss does as long as client is happy because both company A and B want a new contract with the client when this one runs out and B is going for it with and without company A, although A doesn't know that.
Then, throw in a client's rep who boss and I work directly with when in our home town and not away on a business trip. That client's rep (I'll call him T), is trying to be above board but I honestly don't think he has a clue how decieving boss is to CYA himself or manipulate client's rep. Oh- and client's rep and boss don't get along with the point-of contact (POC) of comapny A.
So today I discuss my ordeal with boss to another person that works for client and knows all these people a little but not a close relationship and who is completely outside of the contract issues, etc, thinking she could be objective as anyone who could understand it and give me some advice. She said it seems obvious to her that boss is working to get me out of there quick but she doesn't think the client's rep we deal with is quite that blind to boss's ways. She told me to speak with client's rep alone and say, since he wants me to work with him directly on next contract and since he is our main POC for client, would he remain involved in communication between boss and I so if I am misunderstanding boss's communication than he can help me understand what I should do differently.
Then, she said document all of boss's previous things that seem out of line and get a tape recorder so the next time boss and I are alone and he tells me something different than client's rep has said or something than boss himself has said when client''s rep is around or when boss is going ballistic on me after sitting there acting so reasonalbe in front of client's rep, I can record it and play it to boss's rep. I told her this would create a ballisstic situation. She said yes, but I had nothing to lose and boss isn't going to wait long before completely discrediting me and ruining any job possiblity. She has a point but I'm really worried that boss already has client's rep turned against me. She told me if that's the case, all this documentation can be used later to show that I did report it to someone representing client and this is what T did or didn't do. Otherwise, I didn't try to resolve the issue. The bigger problem in all this though is that neither company A or B has a real policy for grievences and none of them are holding boss accountable or even are involved enough to know if boss was lying out his rear.
I wanted to get your all's ideas, opinions, etc about what to do.
Then this afternoon, I get an email from boss (funny how this is the first in the past 5-10 he's had any response to) and it copied the p[erson at company B who does payroll, who is also handling security clearance paperwork and is company B's owner's daughter. Boss asked me to change my timesheet because 1) I came in after 7:30 on Fri morning and left at 9:00 and I'd indicated I worked 2 hours on Fri and 2) I had indicated 1/2 hour of work on Sat and he had no idea what that was for and he hadn't authorized it, as was required by policy.
OK, first- I came in 5 mins late, or at least less than 10 mins late. I left after 9:30. I had written 2 hours on my timesheet for Friday. I have checked my company computer and verified this by emails sent out by me and the time/date showing on a file for "last modified". Second, on Sat. I spent 1/2 hour on the government computer checking emails from Friday late morning and afternoon because other people were emailing asking me questions, as boss had told them to do. Boss doesn't respond to their emails either and when I'm out of town, I don't have the same email access as I do at home. It's available but I can only do so much with it during the day- hard to explain without getting into too much detail. I had responded to an email on Sat, as well, and copied boss and have that on my computer so it can be proven. Was it previously authorized by him? No, not sprecifically, but he - even in today's email- said "exceptions could be made when on out of town trips". Well, this kind of thing has never been an issue before. I wasn't out of town over the weekend but left Mon morning and knew I wouldn't be able to respond to that lady at least until Monday afternoon if I didn't do it then. So what really is the problem? Boss has done all these things himself and let's "drug-boy" come to work whenever he wants, claim comp time and take off work whenever he wants and never has an issue. Boss never had an issue with me doing this before either, although I really don't think I have lied and taken advantage of it, but now all of a sudden, it's an issue.
I can't wait until I'm back in town to respond to this due to timesheet date requirements. Therefore, I'm thinking about emailing back, copying company B's same person, saying that I have double checked documentation on my computer and I in fact did work 2 hours Fri therefore, I am not going to change that to 1 1/2 hour. As far as Sat, I did ABC, sent out an email in repsonse, which boss was copied on. Remind him (so other lady will know) that I am out of town this week and based on previous communications, had not thought there was reason to have this authorized ahead of time by him. However, if this is how he wants things done now, I will remove that 1/2 hour of work. Then, ask if he will let me know in writing what the specifics are for overtime work when out of town since some things can only be doen from the hotel room and I try to make the most use of my time when at these sites. Also, since company B doesn't pay overtime but allows comp time to makeup for overtime hours, please confirm that if I am expected to work overtime while on trips, that I will be allowed to take it on weeks I am in town because I have been scheduled to be out of town almost every other week and as a result get very far behind in necessary personal appts, phone calls, etc.
Also, if there is a way to bring up that I'd like it in writing what boss directs from now on, I'd love it. There are a lot of things that he's reniged (sp) on- example- telling me when I took the job that I'd be travelling about once a month. HA! Is there a nice way to work in something like "since I seem to have difficulty keeping up with the changes in your direction, could you please put them in writing in the future and copy either T or (whomever)"??
