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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 694491" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Unfotunately, often the grandkids are completely yanked if we dont do the child's bidding. Parental exchanges are court ordered or many moms or dads wouldn't do them. Grandparents don't have those legal rights. See my last paragraph. I looked into this issue and even called a family court lawyer. It is bleak for grandparents in all states due to a supreme court ruling.</p><p></p><p>These types of adult children, who estrange us, are control freaks and, sadly, almost seem to like hurting us. They know they can and the grandchildren are ripe for revenge against us.</p><p></p><p>I am very happy my estranged son never let me know his kids. It is easier in my opinion.</p><p></p><p>I think your son sounds dangerous. What a nut. If you want to see the grands in this demeaning way that I understand so well, you will forever have to hold your tongue. You will not get to have fun with them or enjoy a genuine relationship with them. You will notbe allowed to help in their upbringing. Those eggshells are crunchy.</p><p></p><p>A Dad this sort if estrangement is scarily common in the US and Europe. I know your country is different. There are no laws here to force family to acknowledge one another or to be nice or to even see one another. My mother was allowed to disinherit me, and my once-son is allowed to ignore me forever, and I am then allowed to disinherit him for choosing this path. There is a real breakdown in family here. it is legal. Older people linger in nursing homes with no family visiting them. Happens all the time here.</p><p></p><p>Some time back our Supreme Court took on a Grandparents rights to get visitation with estranged childrens children. The S C ruled against the grandparents. It is only a very few cases can you be granted visitation for a grandparent legally. I have hung on estranged sites for years. For the most part if your kid doesnt want you in his kid's life, you have to wait until the grands are 18 to do so. That ruling cut off a grandparents right to see the grandchildren at the knees. The parents have all the power in almost all cases. VEry few exceptions such as if gtandparent had cared for her grandchild for an extended period of time or if your son or daughter died and survivng spouse denies your right to see your grandchildren after that.</p><p></p><p>A lot of kids, due to estrangement, distsance of where they live etc have no grands or fathers these days. Its sad but this is true. Lifestyle changes, single moms, people living fat away...it is harder to find intact families. My family with husband 2 is intact. My first one ended in divorce. Such is life for kids today. My youngrst tso very well adjusted kids had no grandparents. Husbands areboyh dead and my mother refused to see mykids ever. My dad lives in another state and doesnt like kids. So it goes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 694491, member: 1550"] Unfotunately, often the grandkids are completely yanked if we dont do the child's bidding. Parental exchanges are court ordered or many moms or dads wouldn't do them. Grandparents don't have those legal rights. See my last paragraph. I looked into this issue and even called a family court lawyer. It is bleak for grandparents in all states due to a supreme court ruling. These types of adult children, who estrange us, are control freaks and, sadly, almost seem to like hurting us. They know they can and the grandchildren are ripe for revenge against us. I am very happy my estranged son never let me know his kids. It is easier in my opinion. I think your son sounds dangerous. What a nut. If you want to see the grands in this demeaning way that I understand so well, you will forever have to hold your tongue. You will not get to have fun with them or enjoy a genuine relationship with them. You will notbe allowed to help in their upbringing. Those eggshells are crunchy. A Dad this sort if estrangement is scarily common in the US and Europe. I know your country is different. There are no laws here to force family to acknowledge one another or to be nice or to even see one another. My mother was allowed to disinherit me, and my once-son is allowed to ignore me forever, and I am then allowed to disinherit him for choosing this path. There is a real breakdown in family here. it is legal. Older people linger in nursing homes with no family visiting them. Happens all the time here. Some time back our Supreme Court took on a Grandparents rights to get visitation with estranged childrens children. The S C ruled against the grandparents. It is only a very few cases can you be granted visitation for a grandparent legally. I have hung on estranged sites for years. For the most part if your kid doesnt want you in his kid's life, you have to wait until the grands are 18 to do so. That ruling cut off a grandparents right to see the grandchildren at the knees. The parents have all the power in almost all cases. VEry few exceptions such as if gtandparent had cared for her grandchild for an extended period of time or if your son or daughter died and survivng spouse denies your right to see your grandchildren after that. A lot of kids, due to estrangement, distsance of where they live etc have no grands or fathers these days. Its sad but this is true. Lifestyle changes, single moms, people living fat away...it is harder to find intact families. My family with husband 2 is intact. My first one ended in divorce. Such is life for kids today. My youngrst tso very well adjusted kids had no grandparents. Husbands areboyh dead and my mother refused to see mykids ever. My dad lives in another state and doesnt like kids. So it goes. [/QUOTE]
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