Perv update

[Hound dog]

So I went to the police dept this morning hard copies in hand. I was fortunate enough to get the officer that came to the house the morning husband passed away.

I explained. And then I had to explain the hard copies several times because the man is at least my age and doesn't do either myspace or facebook and wasn't sure what he was looking at per se.

We have a problem. He doesn't know if it's illegal for M to post pics of himself. I don't have proof the kids have accessed the photo. Just that they had access to it. And that it's illegal for the kids to have fb accts in the first place. So he listened, I mean really listened, had me write a report and said he'd run it by the prosecutor and some others more familiar with fb and myspace and this sort of thing online to see what they could do. But he's going to try and if they can't do something maybe cps can.

So once again it's not looking so good. BUT he's going to try. And like he said at the very least it starts a paper trail.

I did tell him about M's felony. Did tell him about the nude picture of kayla, which is what started me watching M's pages to begin with. Did tell him that katie has done nothing but make excuses for the man. Did tell him that the kids have full access to the computer. Did tell him that M deleted the photo and that katie removed the kids from his friend list. Did tell him that M likes to sharpen his switchblade in front of his kids as means of intimidation. Did tell him he's got a violent past and katie claimed dv abuse in the past........

Typical. I've not heard a word from katie this morning. I know she didn't go to the police because the officer would've told me. (small town and yup they do that)

So. I did what I had to do both as a grandmother and as a mandatory reporter. It's in their hands now.

 

[donna723]

Lisa, are you still filing a report with CPS too?

 

[elizabrary]

Sorry Lisa! I know how awful reporting is, and I never even had the pervy stuff to deal with. It took a long time for the police to do anything about the DV by Kat's baby daddy. But we kept creating a paper trail, which eventually led to felony charges. It took awhile and was frustrating, but just even doing the reporting felt like we were doing something in a situation we couldn't control much. I also think sometimes finding the right officer makes a difference and maybe that's the case with this one. You did all you could do. Good for you for reporting- I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this time something will come of it!

 

[Hound dog]

donna, the officer has my hard copies. So no, I can't file with them at the moment.

However he told me the prosecutor may not find a way for them to press charges and make it stick but may see enough there for cps to remove the kids and make it stick, so he could pass it on to them. Because I asked him if I should go to cps then and that's what he told me, because he has to have the hard copies to show the prosecutor. So they can either hand it over to cps or give me copies of my hard copies and I go make my report with a paper trail filed at the police debt.

But he asked me where M works, so I'm wondering if he's thinking about pulling him in for questioning.........and he asked where katie works, which brought up the fact they've been living off Alex's disability......then he asked me what level Alex functions at........and trust me, in this town that puts a whole new spin on it. So since he asked what level alex's is functioning at maybe he's thinking they'll
question the kids too.

 

[InsaneCdn]

You are going to make waves. I agree with you that him asking about the kids raises the likelyhood that either they or CPS will be talking to the kids. Helps that K and A are school-age - they can question them there rather than at home.

 

[shellyd67]

HD, your grandchildren are lucky to have you in their corner ...

 

[buddy]

Ditto, you did great. They wont lose your copies will they? Can they make copies of the hard copies? Then you can have a set. Yuck. I am so sorry for the kids and for you. I am glad you have this place to come and talk about it. It is really emotional. Thinking of you.......

 

[DammitJanet]

It is illegal for him to post pictures of himself on FB and Myspace in the nude. That is in the TOS. He also cant have any pics on his computer that would constitute child porn. And that definition is quite loose. If he simply sent a picture of her at age 7 or so half naked looking quite vulnerable in a suggestive pose, well that could be porn. I worry all the time about my daughter in law because she posts pics of Hailie in the bathtub. Now it wasnt so bad when she was a year old or younger but now that she is 3 or 4? Naw...too old! I wont accept them.

 

[Signorina]

Hi again! Sorry for the duplicate FBI information yesterday and short post. I still haven't gotten the hang of posting from my phone - I can't edit or review prior to posting!

I am so glad you went to the police. But I would keep going...state law can be hazy when dealing with internet crime. I might even get in touch with the police dept or state police in Palo Alto CA where the FB headquarters are located.

Please please please keep going beyond the your local PD. Please call the FBI, the CyberTipline (part of the National Center for Missing or Exploited Children) CyberTipline - Report Child Pornography
Also try the Ohio Domestic Violence Network Domestic Violence Awareness Online - sexual crimes ARE considered domestic violence and they might have resources that can help. IME-local agencies often have local contacts at the Law Enforcement level who are willing to go above and beyond.

Those babies are so lucky to have you and their Aunt Nichole. Stay strong. GO YOU!

(by the way It's not "illegal" or a criminal act to violate the TOS of a website like Facebook-it's just against the rules of the site. You can report him to FB and hope they delete him for violating the TOS but it's a long shot. I once got in touch with them because a local CONVICTED pedophile awaiting sentencing had an active account and they didn't do a d@mn thing. I even sent a link to the court docs. )

 

[AnnieO]

I suspect it depends... In the bath especially... If the bubbles cover most of her, she should be OK. But...

 

[InsaneCdn]

(by the way It's not "illegal" or a criminal act to violate the TOS of a website like Facebook-it's just against the rules of the site. You can report him to FB and hope they delete him for violating the TOS but it's a long shot. I once got in touch with them because a local CONVICTED pedophile awaiting sentencing had an active account and they didn't do a d@mn thing. I even sent a link to the court docs. )

Facebook doesn't do nuttin' for nobody. Unless its mandated by the courts, in which case they do comply and fairly rapidly. (they can't afford NOT to). Reporting this stuff has to go the other way... make the court aware of the FB account etc.

 

[keista]

Hound, you are doing awesome! Stay strong. Those kids need you to keep on, keeping on.

 

[DammitJanet]

Hmm...I thought it was illegal which was how they kept from getting sued in lawsuits when people got caught in all those stings. Oh well...darn.

Step...no she takes pics of her standing up...no bubbles...and she has both her and Mikey in the tub together both of them nude. I keep telling her but whatever her.

 

[AnnieO]

Her life... Sigh. Ya know, my parents took nude pics of me. It was cute, then.

 

[DammitJanet]

I know...its just these days you have to worry so much more. Heck, I took nude pics of me when I was 18 and sent one into Hustler's Girl Next Door column and made it in...lol. My claim to fame. (I was actually thin then)

 

[InsaneCdn]

Hmm...I thought it was illegal which was how they kept from getting sued in lawsuits when people got caught in all those stings. Oh well...darn.

Janet - its a bit more warped than that.
Doing stuff that goes against the TOS for Facebook, means Facebook "can" shut you down and you can't do anything about it. But it doesn't mean they "have" to do so.

Facebook is not required by law to determine whether something a user does is according to the law or not - THAT is up to the legal system. SO... Facebook is NOT going to shut you down unless you are endangering THEIR commercial interests, OR causing an uproar among a large number of users, OR the courts tell them so. If the courts tell them to shut you down, then you can't come back on them for discrimination or whatever else. If they shut you down for their own commercial interests, its because their own lawyers told them to do it.

Othewise? Its a free-for-all.

Most people do not realize this, but almost every step forward in the development of the internet is driven by either military interests, OR by the criminal underworld. The rest of us work on a thin crust above all that crud... and try not to get puled into the tarpit.

 

[Signorina]

I know...its just these days you have to worry so much more. Heck, I took nude pics of me when I was 18 and sent one into Hustler's Girl Next Door column and made it in...lol. My claim to fame. (I was actually thin then)

LOL - I wish I had done the same. I always say - if I knew then what I know now - I would have walked around naked and gone skinny dipping before I had kids... and to think I was so hard on myself back then

I hope you saved the magazine!

 

[KTMom91]

Glad you got the ball rolling, Lisa. Your grands are lucky to have such a loving and caring Nana.

 

[DammitJanet]

no...it was just a stupid crazy time and I never even thought about it.

 

[Shadow89]

Katie mailed mom back saying she "kicked him out" he is staying in the homeless shelter as of now. And of course the grand kids are too upset to go to mom's Halloween party as of right now. And she said shes shutting of the internet and selling her computer because she does not want it in her home. Can you say suspicious? Or is that just me. I hope they do something serious and soon.