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<blockquote data-quote="Martie" data-source="post: 6664" data-attributes="member: 284"><p>Pepperridge,</p><p></p><p>I have heard of this happening also. I think it is likely to be abused---at least by some SDs.</p><p></p><p>Your question would it get your child a therapeutic placement or an alternative very untherapeutic placement? I cannot answer but untherapeutic placements are growing.</p><p></p><p>I would argue that any child who draws such pictures frequently enough to have re-direction in his BIP, has underlying emotional problems. It is another question whether he EVER would act out aggressively.</p><p></p><p>I would like to point out that forensic psychiatrists cannot predict which ADULTS will act out with certainty, and all due process rights are in place in a committment hearing. Children are more difficult to predict and I am very interested in what protection of rights are going to be in place. I don't see many.</p><p></p><p>I definitely would not trust a school psychologist to decide this matter.The strange thing is--that peple with less training will allege that they CAN predict but a psychiatrist will often say--"no evidence that it will happen, no intent, but no one can fortell the future." If you contrast the level of training behind these two points of view, you can see the hubris in the school's position.</p><p></p><p>I also agree with Sheila that IEP procedures should be used. Schools are trying to get around Special Education by using a school-wide three level system of services as a prerequisite for referral. I have posted recently aoubt the conflict betweeen school's "intervention teams," and parents' right to have an evaluation done.</p><p></p><p> I spoke with a student I trained recently who is OK with the idea that a student she counsels (who has violent fantasies) should go directly to an "alternative school" because she is "socially maladjusted," (which is a label specifically barred from receiving Special Education services.) I cynically asked if the adolescent in question is white, and of course, the answer was, "no."</p><p></p><p>I said if the girl were white, she would be hospitalized for evaluation but the way this SD will handle this is she will be shipped off to an "alternative school," which has an 8:1 boy to girl ratio, and she will drop out. The SD wants this, they know it will happen, and they are turning back the clock on Special Education.</p><p></p><p>I wanted to disown having trained my former student--but training does not "stick" when graduates get into SDs that do these things. </p><p></p><p>Martie</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Martie, post: 6664, member: 284"] Pepperridge, I have heard of this happening also. I think it is likely to be abused---at least by some SDs. Your question would it get your child a therapeutic placement or an alternative very untherapeutic placement? I cannot answer but untherapeutic placements are growing. I would argue that any child who draws such pictures frequently enough to have re-direction in his BIP, has underlying emotional problems. It is another question whether he EVER would act out aggressively. I would like to point out that forensic psychiatrists cannot predict which ADULTS will act out with certainty, and all due process rights are in place in a committment hearing. Children are more difficult to predict and I am very interested in what protection of rights are going to be in place. I don't see many. I definitely would not trust a school psychologist to decide this matter.The strange thing is--that peple with less training will allege that they CAN predict but a psychiatrist will often say--"no evidence that it will happen, no intent, but no one can fortell the future." If you contrast the level of training behind these two points of view, you can see the hubris in the school's position. I also agree with Sheila that IEP procedures should be used. Schools are trying to get around Special Education by using a school-wide three level system of services as a prerequisite for referral. I have posted recently aoubt the conflict betweeen school's "intervention teams," and parents' right to have an evaluation done. I spoke with a student I trained recently who is OK with the idea that a student she counsels (who has violent fantasies) should go directly to an "alternative school" because she is "socially maladjusted," (which is a label specifically barred from receiving Special Education services.) I cynically asked if the adolescent in question is white, and of course, the answer was, "no." I said if the girl were white, she would be hospitalized for evaluation but the way this SD will handle this is she will be shipped off to an "alternative school," which has an 8:1 boy to girl ratio, and she will drop out. The SD wants this, they know it will happen, and they are turning back the clock on Special Education. I wanted to disown having trained my former student--but training does not "stick" when graduates get into SDs that do these things. Martie [/QUOTE]
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