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<blockquote data-quote="Copabanana" data-source="post: 667502" data-attributes="member: 18958"><p>a·base·ment</p><p>əˈbāsmənt/</p><p><em>noun</em></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><br /> the action or fact of abasing or being abased; humiliation or degradation.<br /> synonyms: <a href="https://www.google.com/search?biw=911&bih=445&q=define+humiliation&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q_SowAGoVChMI176IlNn0xwIVTiuICh1WTQQ-" target="_blank">humiliation</a>, humbling, belittlement, lowering, <a href="https://www.google.com/search?biw=911&bih=445&q=define+degradation&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ_SowAGoVChMI176IlNn0xwIVTiuICh1WTQQ-" target="_blank">degradation</a>, debasement<br /> <br /> "only a fiend delights in the abasement of his children.</li> </ol><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>SELF-ABASEMENT</strong></span></p><p></p><p><strong>Dictionary entry overview: What does self-abasement mean?</strong></p><p></p><p>• <a href="http://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/self-abasement.htm#noun" target="_blank"><strong>SELF-ABASEMENT</strong> (noun)</a></p><p> The noun <strong>SELF-ABASEMENT</strong> has 1 sense:</p><p></p><p><strong>1.</strong> voluntary self-punishment in order to atone for some wrongdoing</p><p></p><p><em>Familiarity information: <strong>SELF-ABASEMENT</strong> used as a noun is very rare.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Joseph is not absolving the brothers from responsibility for their bad acts. He is dismissing their power over acts and attitudes as inconsequential. The brothers are nobodies.</p><p></p><p>He is saying, G-d and I determine the meaning of things. Not you. The power you think you had and have is illusory. My life has been defined by me. In the circumstances in which G-d has placed me (or nature or providence) I have defined myself. I give you no importance whatsoever (French Soldier. I already have one. It is better.)</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Yes. Our self-betrayal is accepting their definitions.</p><p>Yes.</p><p>Cedar, I think there is a choice here. Joseph had the choice to accept the brother's definition or accepting G-d. He chose to see himself in accordance with G-d's plan (or nature's or providence or destiny) instead of the brothers'. There is always this choice available to us. To take control mentally. I believe that Existentialism is founded upon this.</p><p></p><p>By using the concept of shunning, you keep the power in the abusers, Cedar. Why do you choose to do that?</p><p>But Jacob Joseph's father was still limited to thinking in terms of abasement, that Joseph would require that his brothers be humiliated or shunned, in order to restore the social relationship.</p><p></p><p>Joseph cried because he had moved beyond this. He had gone to the next level. The next level deprives evil, bad actors of their power over us. Their power over our minds and the way we understand ourselves and our lives.</p><p></p><p>We have no control over whether or not others think in terms of abasement. Our power is limited to ourselves. At every instant we can transform our own thinking about ourselves, and thus render absolutely powerless the abusers acts.</p><p></p><p>That is what Serenity tried (and pretty much succeeded) with Daphne and her sister. She defined herself as beyond their petty bull. Her sister and Daphne could not touch her...because she went to the next level. What they do to her and think of her do not matter. Because she is in a different and more meaningful relationship. Whether you call it G-d or providence or destiny or nature or her purpose. Where she defines the meaning and nobody else.</p><p>The task for us here is to provide that validation to each other and to ourselves. And to render their language and their naming, something that no longer matters.</p><p>The crimes are the same against Joseph and against each of us. Until Joseph, the only response to crimes against us was abasement.</p><p></p><p>If one believed a crime was committed against one, we required the other to submit, to lower themselves, to degrade themselves to us. Conversely, to restore good graces with the "winner" the "loser" would abase themselves to re-enter and restore relationship.</p><p></p><p>Cedar, it is this that your mother is requiring you to do to rejoin the family. She is requiring a ritual of abasement, of humiliation.</p><p></p><p>Serenity, it is this that your sister is trying to submit you to. By public humiliation. She is attempting to restore the relationship with you, by lowering you and elevating herself.</p><p></p><p>I am atoning for a perceived wrong in my family by self-abasement. I have been voluntarily punishing myself in all manner of ways.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Copabanana, post: 667502, member: 18958"] a·base·ment əˈbāsmənt/ [I]noun[/I] [LIST=1] [*] the action or fact of abasing or being abased; humiliation or degradation. synonyms: [URL='https://www.google.com/search?biw=911&bih=445&q=define+humiliation&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q_SowAGoVChMI176IlNn0xwIVTiuICh1WTQQ-']humiliation[/URL], humbling, belittlement, lowering, [URL='https://www.google.com/search?biw=911&bih=445&q=define+degradation&sa=X&ved=0CCAQ_SowAGoVChMI176IlNn0xwIVTiuICh1WTQQ-']degradation[/URL], debasement "only a fiend delights in the abasement of his children. [/LIST] [SIZE=6][B]SELF-ABASEMENT[/B][/SIZE] [B]Dictionary entry overview: What does self-abasement mean?[/B] • [URL='http://www.audioenglish.org/dictionary/self-abasement.htm#noun'][B]SELF-ABASEMENT[/B] (noun)[/URL] The noun [B]SELF-ABASEMENT[/B] has 1 sense: [B]1.[/B] voluntary self-punishment in order to atone for some wrongdoing [I]Familiarity information: [B]SELF-ABASEMENT[/B] used as a noun is very rare.[/I] Joseph is not absolving the brothers from responsibility for their bad acts. He is dismissing their power over acts and attitudes as inconsequential. The brothers are nobodies. He is saying, G-d and I determine the meaning of things. Not you. The power you think you had and have is illusory. My life has been defined by me. In the circumstances in which G-d has placed me (or nature or providence) I have defined myself. I give you no importance whatsoever (French Soldier. I already have one. It is better.) Yes. Yes. Yes. Our self-betrayal is accepting their definitions. Yes. Cedar, I think there is a choice here. Joseph had the choice to accept the brother's definition or accepting G-d. He chose to see himself in accordance with G-d's plan (or nature's or providence or destiny) instead of the brothers'. There is always this choice available to us. To take control mentally. I believe that Existentialism is founded upon this. By using the concept of shunning, you keep the power in the abusers, Cedar. Why do you choose to do that? But Jacob Joseph's father was still limited to thinking in terms of abasement, that Joseph would require that his brothers be humiliated or shunned, in order to restore the social relationship. Joseph cried because he had moved beyond this. He had gone to the next level. The next level deprives evil, bad actors of their power over us. Their power over our minds and the way we understand ourselves and our lives. We have no control over whether or not others think in terms of abasement. Our power is limited to ourselves. At every instant we can transform our own thinking about ourselves, and thus render absolutely powerless the abusers acts. That is what Serenity tried (and pretty much succeeded) with Daphne and her sister. She defined herself as beyond their petty bull. Her sister and Daphne could not touch her...because she went to the next level. What they do to her and think of her do not matter. Because she is in a different and more meaningful relationship. Whether you call it G-d or providence or destiny or nature or her purpose. Where she defines the meaning and nobody else. The task for us here is to provide that validation to each other and to ourselves. And to render their language and their naming, something that no longer matters. The crimes are the same against Joseph and against each of us. Until Joseph, the only response to crimes against us was abasement. If one believed a crime was committed against one, we required the other to submit, to lower themselves, to degrade themselves to us. Conversely, to restore good graces with the "winner" the "loser" would abase themselves to re-enter and restore relationship. Cedar, it is this that your mother is requiring you to do to rejoin the family. She is requiring a ritual of abasement, of humiliation. Serenity, it is this that your sister is trying to submit you to. By public humiliation. She is attempting to restore the relationship with you, by lowering you and elevating herself. I am atoning for a perceived wrong in my family by self-abasement. I have been voluntarily punishing myself in all manner of ways. [/QUOTE]
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