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<blockquote data-quote="Scent of Cedar *" data-source="post: 665590" data-attributes="member: 17461"><p>Joel Osteen has given me a way to see differently, Copa. I am not so traditionally religious, but I watch him every Sunday. Today, the issue was self condemnation. He called it "living guilty and condemned". </p><p></p><p>Isn't it amazing that should have been this week's topic.</p><p></p><p>He said: "Change occurs glory to glory." That some of us are programmed to believe guilty and self condemnation are what is real about us. We believe we will be better once we are changed. Joel Osteen said "It is good to acknowledge our shortcomings, but we need to remember everyone has shortcomings. We need to concentrate, not on living guilty and condemned until we are better, but on how we have learned from whatever it was, and know now how to handle it better. That we are fine, as we are. That we are perfect, are here on purpose. That we are "fearfully and wonderfully made". That we are prized possessions, and that we deserve every good thing and more, forever. That we need to fight guilt, shame, self accusation. He gave an example of his son, at four, rewashing the car the father had just waxed, ruining the finish. The little boy was so proud to show his father that he washed the car for him. So, the father had a look with the boy, thanked him and told him how special a thing that was for his son to do for him.</p><p></p><p>Then, when the boy was napping, the father rewashed and rewaxed the car. He made certain to put his buckets and so on away so the little boy would never find them and rewash the car. And would never feel shame when he did something out of a pure heart.</p><p></p><p>So, I thought about that, alot.</p><p></p><p>He told another story.</p><p></p><p>Two fathers go to a football game. One father's son catches the ball. The crowd roars. The son darts to the left. Darts to the right.</p><p></p><p>And gets smashed by all the other players.</p><p></p><p>He never moved the ball an inch.</p><p></p><p>One father says to the other: "Did you see those two good moves my son made? Wow, what a kid!"</p><p></p><p>He didn't even concentrate on the bad thing: that the son never moved the ball.</p><p></p><p>He was proud of the two good moves his son made.</p><p></p><p>So, I thought about that this morning, too.</p><p></p><p>Joel Osteen went on to say that if we have been taught not to believe in ourselves, not to like ourselves, we project those emotions onto others and validate what was a wrong belief in the first place.</p><p></p><p>He said, understand that you do that and stop that.</p><p></p><p>You are prized; you are here on purpose ~ we all are fearfully and wonderfully made.</p><p></p><p>I like Joel Osteen very much.</p><p></p><p>Almost always, there is something beautifully right for me. I can see how things work, and why they don't have to work that way, at all.</p><p></p><p>I mean, think about it. There we were, all of us wondering how to speak the right words to our sons...and two stories about that very thing.</p><p></p><p>About how to see.</p><p></p><p>Let's see...he said: "It's not your performance; it's your heart that matters."</p><p></p><p>Cedar</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scent of Cedar *, post: 665590, member: 17461"] Joel Osteen has given me a way to see differently, Copa. I am not so traditionally religious, but I watch him every Sunday. Today, the issue was self condemnation. He called it "living guilty and condemned". Isn't it amazing that should have been this week's topic. He said: "Change occurs glory to glory." That some of us are programmed to believe guilty and self condemnation are what is real about us. We believe we will be better once we are changed. Joel Osteen said "It is good to acknowledge our shortcomings, but we need to remember everyone has shortcomings. We need to concentrate, not on living guilty and condemned until we are better, but on how we have learned from whatever it was, and know now how to handle it better. That we are fine, as we are. That we are perfect, are here on purpose. That we are "fearfully and wonderfully made". That we are prized possessions, and that we deserve every good thing and more, forever. That we need to fight guilt, shame, self accusation. He gave an example of his son, at four, rewashing the car the father had just waxed, ruining the finish. The little boy was so proud to show his father that he washed the car for him. So, the father had a look with the boy, thanked him and told him how special a thing that was for his son to do for him. Then, when the boy was napping, the father rewashed and rewaxed the car. He made certain to put his buckets and so on away so the little boy would never find them and rewash the car. And would never feel shame when he did something out of a pure heart. So, I thought about that, alot. He told another story. Two fathers go to a football game. One father's son catches the ball. The crowd roars. The son darts to the left. Darts to the right. And gets smashed by all the other players. He never moved the ball an inch. One father says to the other: "Did you see those two good moves my son made? Wow, what a kid!" He didn't even concentrate on the bad thing: that the son never moved the ball. He was proud of the two good moves his son made. So, I thought about that this morning, too. Joel Osteen went on to say that if we have been taught not to believe in ourselves, not to like ourselves, we project those emotions onto others and validate what was a wrong belief in the first place. He said, understand that you do that and stop that. You are prized; you are here on purpose ~ we all are fearfully and wonderfully made. I like Joel Osteen very much. Almost always, there is something beautifully right for me. I can see how things work, and why they don't have to work that way, at all. I mean, think about it. There we were, all of us wondering how to speak the right words to our sons...and two stories about that very thing. About how to see. Let's see...he said: "It's not your performance; it's your heart that matters." Cedar [/QUOTE]
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