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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 18353" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>I'm wondering if this child actually has early onset bipolar. I'd look into it. In that case, antidepressants can be very dangerous. There ARE black box warnings on higher suicide rates for children under 18--this is not made up, and my experience with ad's for kids is very bad. Unfortunately not all experts call it right either, which can be very maddening. Both of my younger kids who had problems were tried on Prozac, which is supposed to be safe for kids under 18. Maybe it is for some kids. My son became psychotic (he is on the autism spectrum) and we removed it. My daughter who was a teen, told me Prozac made her feel weird, then, shortly after, pulled a knife on herself. I have bipolar and have taken Zoloft and take Paxil. Although I personally wouldn't give either one to a child under 18 (knowing what I know now), Zoloft made me nuts and Paxil helped me. Both have serious withdrawals if the child quits taking it, and they can last for months. I'd want, if this were my child, to have her tried on a mood stabilizer, maybe Lamictal because that's good for depression. My daughter was in a hospital and they totally misdiagnosed her. They didn't even figure out she was using recreational drugs. None of us, not one, has to accept what a doctor tells us. Depression is often the first diagnosis. before BiPolar (BP) is diagnosed (it was for me). No mental illness has as high a rate of suicide as bipolar and antidepressants do make it worse. She should be watched like a hawk if she is going to continue to take it. My daughter's suicide attempt came out of the blue. Later, we found two knives under her bed. I'm not using a scare tactic. The fact is, these medications do cause certain disorders to become worse. Even as an adult, who was tried on most ad's, the only one that helped me was Paxil and many others had scary side effects. I agree that antidepressants CAN save your life, IF it's the right diagnosis. Without Paxil, I'd be dead, but I'm an adult, I have bipolar II (which is different from bipolar I), and the fact is getting the right diagnosis. and right medications can take (I've read) up to ten years. It did for me. I'm going to post a site about early onset bipolar. All kids with bipolar have ODD behaviors. That's just part of the disorder. I believe I had bipolar very young, and the defiance level is through the roof mostly because you can't control your swinging moods and you get into "mixed" states where the rage is not even within your control. To me, I'd want to try a mood stabilizer before an antidepressant. Mood stabilizers are Lamcital, Lithium, Trileptal, Tegretal and Depakote. Like all medications, one may not work, another may. And, like antidepressants, they can take up to eight weeks to kick in. But they don't have withdrawal side effects and don't cause suicidal thinking. You can always switch to ad's later on. This is just what *I'd* do based on my own illness and experience with my kids. It can be darn hard to find a professional who diagnoses right!!! And any child who is started on a new medication should be watched VERY closely. If the behavior is worse, not better, after a month or so (it takes that long to kick in) then question, question, question if it's the right medication. Zoloft put me in the hospital after a month of taking it. I'm sure it helps others. These are powerful medications and we have to be cautious and make sure the child is diagnosed correctly. Since there's no blood test, it's always a crapshoot. Hugs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 18353, member: 1550"] I'm wondering if this child actually has early onset bipolar. I'd look into it. In that case, antidepressants can be very dangerous. There ARE black box warnings on higher suicide rates for children under 18--this is not made up, and my experience with ad's for kids is very bad. Unfortunately not all experts call it right either, which can be very maddening. Both of my younger kids who had problems were tried on Prozac, which is supposed to be safe for kids under 18. Maybe it is for some kids. My son became psychotic (he is on the autism spectrum) and we removed it. My daughter who was a teen, told me Prozac made her feel weird, then, shortly after, pulled a knife on herself. I have bipolar and have taken Zoloft and take Paxil. Although I personally wouldn't give either one to a child under 18 (knowing what I know now), Zoloft made me nuts and Paxil helped me. Both have serious withdrawals if the child quits taking it, and they can last for months. I'd want, if this were my child, to have her tried on a mood stabilizer, maybe Lamictal because that's good for depression. My daughter was in a hospital and they totally misdiagnosed her. They didn't even figure out she was using recreational drugs. None of us, not one, has to accept what a doctor tells us. Depression is often the first diagnosis. before BiPolar (BP) is diagnosed (it was for me). No mental illness has as high a rate of suicide as bipolar and antidepressants do make it worse. She should be watched like a hawk if she is going to continue to take it. My daughter's suicide attempt came out of the blue. Later, we found two knives under her bed. I'm not using a scare tactic. The fact is, these medications do cause certain disorders to become worse. Even as an adult, who was tried on most ad's, the only one that helped me was Paxil and many others had scary side effects. I agree that antidepressants CAN save your life, IF it's the right diagnosis. Without Paxil, I'd be dead, but I'm an adult, I have bipolar II (which is different from bipolar I), and the fact is getting the right diagnosis. and right medications can take (I've read) up to ten years. It did for me. I'm going to post a site about early onset bipolar. All kids with bipolar have ODD behaviors. That's just part of the disorder. I believe I had bipolar very young, and the defiance level is through the roof mostly because you can't control your swinging moods and you get into "mixed" states where the rage is not even within your control. To me, I'd want to try a mood stabilizer before an antidepressant. Mood stabilizers are Lamcital, Lithium, Trileptal, Tegretal and Depakote. Like all medications, one may not work, another may. And, like antidepressants, they can take up to eight weeks to kick in. But they don't have withdrawal side effects and don't cause suicidal thinking. You can always switch to ad's later on. This is just what *I'd* do based on my own illness and experience with my kids. It can be darn hard to find a professional who diagnoses right!!! And any child who is started on a new medication should be watched VERY closely. If the behavior is worse, not better, after a month or so (it takes that long to kick in) then question, question, question if it's the right medication. Zoloft put me in the hospital after a month of taking it. I'm sure it helps others. These are powerful medications and we have to be cautious and make sure the child is diagnosed correctly. Since there's no blood test, it's always a crapshoot. Hugs. [/QUOTE]
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