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The football moron who beat up his girlfriend and is banned indefinitely
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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 634606" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>I personally don't think the sport leagues should punish their players in any way for out of sport issues. I simply don't think it really is any of their business.</p><p></p><p>However, I certainly do think that the team should kick the player out for this type of behaviour (and it is a breach of contract in any pro athlete contracts I know of, so totally legitimate) and I would really hate it, if the team I support would hire a player like that.</p><p></p><p>The sport related things are league business, though many major sports are total sissies about that. Best example was last Olympics. Swedish hockey player got caught for very clear cut doping violation. He got off scot free though any cross country skier etc. would had banned for two years and probably also faced criminal prosecution for using that exact same substance. This player had absolutely no consequences either by his NHL team or International hockey federation, simply because they wanted to keep NHL players in Olympics so much, they were willing to let any performance-enchancing drug violation go, because NA pro sports do too.</p><p></p><p>If the leagues start to give banns for out of sport reasons, they need to also take care of due process-issues. They have ways to do so with sport related issues, not so much with out of sport issues. In this case it is quite clear, that this douchebag beat his wife, but in many cases it may be difficult to draw a line. Is it enough if someone is accused or charged about something? What if charges are dropped or person is found not guilty by court? What will the league do, if they have banned someone for example for a year and it is found that allegations were not true? There are also lots of false allegations against people, especially if one making the allegation has something to gain from it. (And even more crimes athletes or other celebrities do commit and never get caught, but that is another thing.) </p><p></p><p>I personally know one person who used to be a star athlete in my country (he coached my son later) that got to lots of trouble by false allegation and it took quite a lot of time before it was found to be false and even that was just luck. He and his team mate were accused of rape that never happened, by person who wanted the fame in any cost. They could had easily ended up with not guilty by lack of evidence conviction and everyone would had assumed it meant guilty but getting free because of lack of evidence, which would have made it impossible to have careers they have now after the sport careers. Having to prove yourself not guilty can be impossible even when you are. These are very difficult questions and that is why I don't like it, when someone else than court takes a job of the court.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 634606, member: 14557"] I personally don't think the sport leagues should punish their players in any way for out of sport issues. I simply don't think it really is any of their business. However, I certainly do think that the team should kick the player out for this type of behaviour (and it is a breach of contract in any pro athlete contracts I know of, so totally legitimate) and I would really hate it, if the team I support would hire a player like that. The sport related things are league business, though many major sports are total sissies about that. Best example was last Olympics. Swedish hockey player got caught for very clear cut doping violation. He got off scot free though any cross country skier etc. would had banned for two years and probably also faced criminal prosecution for using that exact same substance. This player had absolutely no consequences either by his NHL team or International hockey federation, simply because they wanted to keep NHL players in Olympics so much, they were willing to let any performance-enchancing drug violation go, because NA pro sports do too. If the leagues start to give banns for out of sport reasons, they need to also take care of due process-issues. They have ways to do so with sport related issues, not so much with out of sport issues. In this case it is quite clear, that this douchebag beat his wife, but in many cases it may be difficult to draw a line. Is it enough if someone is accused or charged about something? What if charges are dropped or person is found not guilty by court? What will the league do, if they have banned someone for example for a year and it is found that allegations were not true? There are also lots of false allegations against people, especially if one making the allegation has something to gain from it. (And even more crimes athletes or other celebrities do commit and never get caught, but that is another thing.) I personally know one person who used to be a star athlete in my country (he coached my son later) that got to lots of trouble by false allegation and it took quite a lot of time before it was found to be false and even that was just luck. He and his team mate were accused of rape that never happened, by person who wanted the fame in any cost. They could had easily ended up with not guilty by lack of evidence conviction and everyone would had assumed it meant guilty but getting free because of lack of evidence, which would have made it impossible to have careers they have now after the sport careers. Having to prove yourself not guilty can be impossible even when you are. These are very difficult questions and that is why I don't like it, when someone else than court takes a job of the court. [/QUOTE]
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