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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 434956" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>This is a really serious problem. The doctor ignoring it is something you need to stop. You may need to speak to him with-o difficult child in the room, but he needs to know how serious it is. Or take difficult child to the er when he is dancing around in pain and let THEM deal with it. Not fun, but may need to happen.</p><p></p><p>You need to PUSH food with fiber in it. Fiber will draw moisture to hard poop, pull it out of diarrhea and create enough bulk that it cannot be held in. Go and get those fiber bars in the granola bar section of the grocery. Let him eat ALL he wants of them for a few days. Also get some of the Flatout Wraps - the light ones are very high in fiber and taste pretty good, esp the Italian ones. They add about as much fiber as one of the 90 cal Fiber One bars. </p><p></p><p>At this point he may actually not be ABLE to poop. The stool may be stuck to the sides of his bowels like concrete. To poop it will have to pull away from the walls and this is going to be PAINFUL. Years ago Jess got backed up and we tried everything. We learned about it because she had incredible pain in her lower back and spent Christmas day in tears. She was actually still having bowel movements that LOOKED like they were normal size or even big for a kid her age. But xrays showed a huge backup and lots of gas bubbles in there. Your son will also have the gas bubbles because they get trapped by the poop and then they get bigger as the poop breaks down in his body. </p><p></p><p>We did miralax (otc medication that is flavorless and odorless but literally greases the skids - some of the difficult children here have commented that it poops for you even if you don't want to), huge quantites of benefiber, enemas even the stuff they give you to drink before a colonoscopy. NOTHING worked. After a week the dr put her in the hospital overnight for a milk and molasses enema. Yup. Milk and molasses. It is an old home remedy that one of the older docs in town learned from his mother. It works. It CAN be done at home but out doctor had us do it int he hospital because Jess was really getting sick from the backup. They warmed up a jar of molasses (12 oz jar I think) and warmed up 12 oz of whole milk, mixed them and started. It took about 6 doses to get it all in and then out, but it worked. Since then I buy those fiber bars and lots of fruit and veggies and make homemade granola with lots of fiber in it. It has kept her from having problems again.</p><p></p><p>Asking why he is doing this is important, but it is also important to get his insides emptied out. He WILL end up seriously ill if you cannot get him to go at home. I would give it today (Tues) and if he hasn't gone by three or four I would head tot he hospital. It is possible for him Occupational Therapist (OT) get really ill - fever, all sorts of things- from the stool breaking down. He can also end up rupturing his intestines if too much is in there and it cannot get out. Or he could ned up totally blocked and nto being able to get any nutrition at all. </p><p></p><p>The throwing up is likely because the food cannot pass out of his stomach because the pipes are full. It is a serious sign that he may be in real trouble, the kind that may need surgery to fix. I grew up with a kid across the street who had his system cut open and part of the bowel taken out because he held his poop so long his bowel got gangrene. He almost died and will ALWAYS have trouble with nutrition and medications because he lost quite a lot of his large intestines. He will never be able to take any time release medications because they don't stay in long and he also doesn't like to eat out anywhere and cannot eat a lot of fatty foods or anything fried because it just runs out of him on its own due to the surgery.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 434956, member: 1233"] This is a really serious problem. The doctor ignoring it is something you need to stop. You may need to speak to him with-o difficult child in the room, but he needs to know how serious it is. Or take difficult child to the er when he is dancing around in pain and let THEM deal with it. Not fun, but may need to happen. You need to PUSH food with fiber in it. Fiber will draw moisture to hard poop, pull it out of diarrhea and create enough bulk that it cannot be held in. Go and get those fiber bars in the granola bar section of the grocery. Let him eat ALL he wants of them for a few days. Also get some of the Flatout Wraps - the light ones are very high in fiber and taste pretty good, esp the Italian ones. They add about as much fiber as one of the 90 cal Fiber One bars. At this point he may actually not be ABLE to poop. The stool may be stuck to the sides of his bowels like concrete. To poop it will have to pull away from the walls and this is going to be PAINFUL. Years ago Jess got backed up and we tried everything. We learned about it because she had incredible pain in her lower back and spent Christmas day in tears. She was actually still having bowel movements that LOOKED like they were normal size or even big for a kid her age. But xrays showed a huge backup and lots of gas bubbles in there. Your son will also have the gas bubbles because they get trapped by the poop and then they get bigger as the poop breaks down in his body. We did miralax (otc medication that is flavorless and odorless but literally greases the skids - some of the difficult children here have commented that it poops for you even if you don't want to), huge quantites of benefiber, enemas even the stuff they give you to drink before a colonoscopy. NOTHING worked. After a week the dr put her in the hospital overnight for a milk and molasses enema. Yup. Milk and molasses. It is an old home remedy that one of the older docs in town learned from his mother. It works. It CAN be done at home but out doctor had us do it int he hospital because Jess was really getting sick from the backup. They warmed up a jar of molasses (12 oz jar I think) and warmed up 12 oz of whole milk, mixed them and started. It took about 6 doses to get it all in and then out, but it worked. Since then I buy those fiber bars and lots of fruit and veggies and make homemade granola with lots of fiber in it. It has kept her from having problems again. Asking why he is doing this is important, but it is also important to get his insides emptied out. He WILL end up seriously ill if you cannot get him to go at home. I would give it today (Tues) and if he hasn't gone by three or four I would head tot he hospital. It is possible for him Occupational Therapist (OT) get really ill - fever, all sorts of things- from the stool breaking down. He can also end up rupturing his intestines if too much is in there and it cannot get out. Or he could ned up totally blocked and nto being able to get any nutrition at all. The throwing up is likely because the food cannot pass out of his stomach because the pipes are full. It is a serious sign that he may be in real trouble, the kind that may need surgery to fix. I grew up with a kid across the street who had his system cut open and part of the bowel taken out because he held his poop so long his bowel got gangrene. He almost died and will ALWAYS have trouble with nutrition and medications because he lost quite a lot of his large intestines. He will never be able to take any time release medications because they don't stay in long and he also doesn't like to eat out anywhere and cannot eat a lot of fatty foods or anything fried because it just runs out of him on its own due to the surgery. [/QUOTE]
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