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<blockquote data-quote="Mamaof5" data-source="post: 352789"><p>I see I've offended you. I didn't mean to and I was very genuinely interested in the background of your thoughts about it. What you describe is not "natural parenting" (some of it, like the whiny child description and hovering) - that's actually called helicopter parenting. Hovering is not what natural parenting is about, nor is attachment parenting about hovering over the child. Yes I ascribe to consensual living (again with health and safety as a non negotiable issue where it's not consensual at all, it's needs that have to be met like medical care, healthy eating, sleeping properly, too much tv and not enough activity - in fact we don't have cable due to this etc). In a way you are right - the label natural parenting is too broad a term. It's an umbrella label to describe several different parenting techniques like consensual living, attachment parenting, communicative parenting, non-violent communication parenting, playful parenting, etc. I slung my babies yes, that's part of attachment parenting of an infant, breastfed only one successfully (my youngest, extended boyfriend too and child led weening at 18 months), I don't vaccinate for medical reasons, my children are more susceptible to vax reactions because it's been studied and found that (in preliminary studies actually, so not fully studied admittedly) that reactions can be genetically inherited.</p><p></p><p>"Natural Parenting" is used as an umbrella label for lack of a better word to describe multi parenting techniques from those parenting theories. It doesn't mean I think that "mainstream" (another umbrella label if you think about it) is wrong either. I do use many mainstream techniques as well and I don't associate "mainstreamers" with spanking. Just because some does "mainstream" parent doesn't mean they spank, vaccinate or don't\do co-sleep.</p><p></p><p>We use what works for us, not what works for others. I'm sorry you had bad experiences with "natural parenting" techniques, just proves that it doesn't work for everyone just like for our difficult child kids, not everything works for the individual difficult child child. It takes time to find what does work and doesn't work. I never meant to offend you, I tend to catch the nuances of what people write and say and kind of butt in where I shouldn't at times and I apologize if I hurt you in any way. I have a morbid curiosity of how people come to their own life conclusions and why and what makes them tick mind wise. People keep telling me I should have chosen psychology as a career rather than multimedia *lol*.</p><p></p><p>I edited because it seems Andy's quoted post is stuck on quoted lol</p><p></p><p>Also to address the sign language bit - I find it terribly odd that teaching your gbaby sign delayed her speech. Studies have definitively proven this is not actual fact. That signing does not delay speech in a hearing or non hearing child at all. I'm hearing impaired and my 4 year old is significantly hearing impaired (possible significantly deaf, we're still working on the diagnosis actually - she's too young to determine one way or the other only that she has impaired hearing and being autistic it's hard to request compliance from her for testing - we have to catch her on a good day).</p><p></p><p>All children develop at different rates of cognitive, physical and motor skills developmental stages and milestones. The milestones that doctors use (and my youngest had a gastro specialist who said the same thing I am here) are just that - guidelines. The learning curve for each individual is completely different from others. The brain is a very unique creature, very interesting mechanism within the brain. One will learn to speak at age 3 very well while another takes an extra 2 years and goes in leaps and bounds (my 8 year old was speaking paragraphs by the age of 2 while my 6 year old only started speaking sentences fully and functionally at 4).</p><p></p><p>Sign Language for a hearing person is a complimentary to actual speech. I've been signing all my life, including in front of all 5 of my kids. They pick it up the same as they would (and did) spoken language. The language centers in the brain treat it as a separate and unique language from their primary form of communication. My kids also speak French, like mum (I was born in Quebec, Montreal actually - bilingual family). Did a speech therapist give your family this misinformation? (based on older theories of language and language development)? If so, I'm sorry they misinformed you like that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mamaof5, post: 352789"] I see I've offended you. I didn't mean to and I was very genuinely interested in the background of your thoughts about it. What you describe is not "natural parenting" (some of it, like the whiny child description and hovering) - that's actually called helicopter parenting. Hovering is not what natural parenting is about, nor is attachment parenting about hovering over the child. Yes I ascribe to consensual living (again with health and safety as a non negotiable issue where it's not consensual at all, it's needs that have to be met like medical care, healthy eating, sleeping properly, too much tv and not enough activity - in fact we don't have cable due to this etc). In a way you are right - the label natural parenting is too broad a term. It's an umbrella label to describe several different parenting techniques like consensual living, attachment parenting, communicative parenting, non-violent communication parenting, playful parenting, etc. I slung my babies yes, that's part of attachment parenting of an infant, breastfed only one successfully (my youngest, extended boyfriend too and child led weening at 18 months), I don't vaccinate for medical reasons, my children are more susceptible to vax reactions because it's been studied and found that (in preliminary studies actually, so not fully studied admittedly) that reactions can be genetically inherited. "Natural Parenting" is used as an umbrella label for lack of a better word to describe multi parenting techniques from those parenting theories. It doesn't mean I think that "mainstream" (another umbrella label if you think about it) is wrong either. I do use many mainstream techniques as well and I don't associate "mainstreamers" with spanking. Just because some does "mainstream" parent doesn't mean they spank, vaccinate or don't\do co-sleep. We use what works for us, not what works for others. I'm sorry you had bad experiences with "natural parenting" techniques, just proves that it doesn't work for everyone just like for our difficult child kids, not everything works for the individual difficult child child. It takes time to find what does work and doesn't work. I never meant to offend you, I tend to catch the nuances of what people write and say and kind of butt in where I shouldn't at times and I apologize if I hurt you in any way. I have a morbid curiosity of how people come to their own life conclusions and why and what makes them tick mind wise. People keep telling me I should have chosen psychology as a career rather than multimedia *lol*. I edited because it seems Andy's quoted post is stuck on quoted lol Also to address the sign language bit - I find it terribly odd that teaching your gbaby sign delayed her speech. Studies have definitively proven this is not actual fact. That signing does not delay speech in a hearing or non hearing child at all. I'm hearing impaired and my 4 year old is significantly hearing impaired (possible significantly deaf, we're still working on the diagnosis actually - she's too young to determine one way or the other only that she has impaired hearing and being autistic it's hard to request compliance from her for testing - we have to catch her on a good day). All children develop at different rates of cognitive, physical and motor skills developmental stages and milestones. The milestones that doctors use (and my youngest had a gastro specialist who said the same thing I am here) are just that - guidelines. The learning curve for each individual is completely different from others. The brain is a very unique creature, very interesting mechanism within the brain. One will learn to speak at age 3 very well while another takes an extra 2 years and goes in leaps and bounds (my 8 year old was speaking paragraphs by the age of 2 while my 6 year old only started speaking sentences fully and functionally at 4). Sign Language for a hearing person is a complimentary to actual speech. I've been signing all my life, including in front of all 5 of my kids. They pick it up the same as they would (and did) spoken language. The language centers in the brain treat it as a separate and unique language from their primary form of communication. My kids also speak French, like mum (I was born in Quebec, Montreal actually - bilingual family). Did a speech therapist give your family this misinformation? (based on older theories of language and language development)? If so, I'm sorry they misinformed you like that. [/QUOTE]
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