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<blockquote data-quote="2much2recover" data-source="post: 642207" data-attributes="member: 18366"><p>Lil, please understand that in no way am I saying that because my daughter is a sociopath I think your son it too. I am in no way able or qualified to make that diagnosis. I am, however going to call you out on that fact that sometimes when you are angry (rightfully so) you will say that you son is a liar and a thief. But if someone else says it, you get highly defensive. Your son being one or the other or both is not a reflection on you or how you raised him period. I will say it again, he is whatever he is - and that is something that you seem to have a hard time trying to accept. It could be the drugs that make him lie/steal it could be immaturity or he could have some yet undiagnosed mental health problem or personality disorder. Right now it is an unknown.</p><p></p><p></p><p>You say short of these 2 ways of doing you harm, you are not willing to WHAT? What about all the pain and heartbreak he is causing you up until even right now? That is both emotional and mental abuse no matter how you dice it. And as much as you would not like to see yourself a victim of that the facts (from what you, yourself has written) you are - and of course it both pains you and terrifies you at the same time. I don't think there is anything that I did say that says turn him away - end of it! What I am saying, again only by going what you are posting, that things are not looking good about things turning out the way you hope they will. Also I am trying to help you to gather your courage and strength to say no to your son - <em>if the need arises. Why did I bring up the camping stuff? Odds are unless you let him back in he's going to need it. (and to scare the holy crap out of him that this time gosh darn it you mean it!) </em>But then again maybe you will let him back in because you might feel more comfortable having a lying thief live with you, than to not live with you, because it makes you feel like a lousy parent (notice I said makes you feel, I DO NO THINK YOU ARE A BAD PARENT AT ALL)</p><p>From the way you post to me, it sounds like you think I am trying to push my situation onto you. I am not doing that - the one thing we share is that we are mothers of only children who have problems. What I am trying to do is to shine light in to this dark period of your life and all I get back is - please, please let me stay in the dark. It's your monkey, it's your circus - run it however you want to because it matters not to me what your choices are.</p><p></p><p>Lil, I have been through it all with my daughter an it took me a very long time to accept that she is what she is - well into her 30's. I am in no position to judge you or your son. Just the facts mam!</p><p></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/Graemlins/warrior.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":warrior:" title="warrior :warrior:" data-shortname=":warrior:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="2much2recover, post: 642207, member: 18366"] Lil, please understand that in no way am I saying that because my daughter is a sociopath I think your son it too. I am in no way able or qualified to make that diagnosis. I am, however going to call you out on that fact that sometimes when you are angry (rightfully so) you will say that you son is a liar and a thief. But if someone else says it, you get highly defensive. Your son being one or the other or both is not a reflection on you or how you raised him period. I will say it again, he is whatever he is - and that is something that you seem to have a hard time trying to accept. It could be the drugs that make him lie/steal it could be immaturity or he could have some yet undiagnosed mental health problem or personality disorder. Right now it is an unknown. You say short of these 2 ways of doing you harm, you are not willing to WHAT? What about all the pain and heartbreak he is causing you up until even right now? That is both emotional and mental abuse no matter how you dice it. And as much as you would not like to see yourself a victim of that the facts (from what you, yourself has written) you are - and of course it both pains you and terrifies you at the same time. I don't think there is anything that I did say that says turn him away - end of it! What I am saying, again only by going what you are posting, that things are not looking good about things turning out the way you hope they will. Also I am trying to help you to gather your courage and strength to say no to your son - [I]if the need arises. Why did I bring up the camping stuff? Odds are unless you let him back in he's going to need it. (and to scare the holy crap out of him that this time gosh darn it you mean it!) [/I]But then again maybe you will let him back in because you might feel more comfortable having a lying thief live with you, than to not live with you, because it makes you feel like a lousy parent (notice I said makes you feel, I DO NO THINK YOU ARE A BAD PARENT AT ALL) From the way you post to me, it sounds like you think I am trying to push my situation onto you. I am not doing that - the one thing we share is that we are mothers of only children who have problems. What I am trying to do is to shine light in to this dark period of your life and all I get back is - please, please let me stay in the dark. It's your monkey, it's your circus - run it however you want to because it matters not to me what your choices are. Lil, I have been through it all with my daughter an it took me a very long time to accept that she is what she is - well into her 30's. I am in no position to judge you or your son. Just the facts mam! :warrior: [/QUOTE]
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