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<blockquote data-quote="BusynMember" data-source="post: 663568" data-attributes="member: 1550"><p>Schizophrenia, as I read about it and understand it, is nothing like drug addiction. He can not hit a rock bottom and know how to help himself because he doesn't realize he is sick until he is treated with medicated and back in our world. I would not worry about the $50 in his account. You can't make a schizophrenic understand what is going on around him or that people are not plotting against him or that his medications aren't poisin. A person with a personality disorder can rationally get help as he is not psychotic. A bipolar person is normally not psychotic either and can opt for help. Depression, yes. I have no idea how anyone can expect somebody who has anongosia to ever help himself. Literally that is mind blindness. They don't know what is really happening and w hat is just in their mind.Until he does something that gets him admitted to a hospital, he can't be helped and he can't help himself. This is NOT drug addiction. Don't treat it like it is. This is NOT bipolar, depression etc. Don't act as if he knows he is sick and can change that, but is being stubborn. That is not the sad illness of sshizophrenia. Maybe people will understand it more if it is compared to Alzheimers. Nobody expect a patient afflicted with Alzheimer to hit a rock bottom or be able to make good decisions. They are too out of it. That's the same with schizophrenia.</p><p></p><p>I would not worry one wit about whether he will get a job or not. Get him on SSI. He is disabled. If he is treated, there are organizations that help the disabled get jobs that they can handle. I work at one place like this---Goodwill. In my case it is a temporary job, but not for everyone and we have several people with schizoaffective and schizophrenia working. They are stable though. And they also don't work full time and collect SSI, but they are doing well. To worry about a job when your son is not able to tell this world from his fantasy work does not make any sense. I'd want to get guardianship over him as well. I have no doubt you'd be given it...or a third party can get it. He is not capable of making his own decisions. That doesn't mean he has to live with you. He obviously can't. But you will have access to any health records he gets and can give input f you are the guardian. It's small, but it's better than nothing. I encourage doing what you can to help him from a distance, then try to let go. You can't control his illness. You know this.</p><p></p><p>Alzheimers. Think of him as an Alzheimers patient and have the same compassion. On the other hand, if they did not allow Alzheimers patients to be involuntarily treated, they would also wander the streets, unaware they are sick. Our laws favor Alzheimers/disfavor schizophrenics, which is just plain irrational on the parts of those who make these laws. I am thinking most with Alzheimers however do have guardians. Perhaps that is the difference.</p><p></p><p>Many people who like to give advice, do not understand that schizophrenia is THAT bad. When I was young, I spent ten weeks in a very good university psychiatrc ward that SIS voluntarily signed into. I had severe depression, but I was still able to witness in horror those who suffered worse...from schizophrenia and other thought disorders.</p><p></p><p>Some people may not understand the severity of schizophrenia. They give advice not understanding that when a person hallucinates, he does NOT understand that the hallucination is not real. The advice giver may think that one can learn to ignore the loud, pelting, forever voices while in the throes of a breakdown. They can't. They may not understand that they may not even know the date, the time, their own names sometimes. They may totally believe, without doubt, that they are Jesus Christ or President Obama or they may see, feel and hear that demons are inside of them or bugs are crawling on them eating their skin. That terrifies them as they think it is really happening. I read one can also have smelling and touching hallucinations. They can smell waste product that is not really there, but to them it is real. They can feel somebody violating theier body although nobody is really touching them. Some become catatonic and can not move. I saw one when I was in the hospital. She stood in place, hardly blinking. To sit her down, staff had to bend her knees and carry her. She improved with medications and was talking five days later, but it was both fascinating and frightening to watch this poor woman being alive inside a body that would not obey her.</p><p></p><p>Again, this is nothing like drug addiction or willful criminal behavior. Don't treat it like it is.That won't stop the police from arresting him, but then he will get treatment. Sadly, jails are our new psychiatric institutions and they are not equipped to handle it, but it's better than nothing.</p><p></p><p>Your son sounds about as ill as it gets with schizophrenia. Did you contact NAMI to hear about any options you may have? I have read a lot about schizophrenia as it interests me, but I do not know anybody who has it so I really don't understand first hand what a parent or other loved one can do for a child who is that incredibly sisck. NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) can help you more.</p><p></p><p>Hugs and I'm so sorry for this entire situation. I do not believe Touch Love is the answer for schizophrenia at all.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BusynMember, post: 663568, member: 1550"] Schizophrenia, as I read about it and understand it, is nothing like drug addiction. He can not hit a rock bottom and know how to help himself because he doesn't realize he is sick until he is treated with medicated and back in our world. I would not worry about the $50 in his account. You can't make a schizophrenic understand what is going on around him or that people are not plotting against him or that his medications aren't poisin. A person with a personality disorder can rationally get help as he is not psychotic. A bipolar person is normally not psychotic either and can opt for help. Depression, yes. I have no idea how anyone can expect somebody who has anongosia to ever help himself. Literally that is mind blindness. They don't know what is really happening and w hat is just in their mind.Until he does something that gets him admitted to a hospital, he can't be helped and he can't help himself. This is NOT drug addiction. Don't treat it like it is. This is NOT bipolar, depression etc. Don't act as if he knows he is sick and can change that, but is being stubborn. That is not the sad illness of sshizophrenia. Maybe people will understand it more if it is compared to Alzheimers. Nobody expect a patient afflicted with Alzheimer to hit a rock bottom or be able to make good decisions. They are too out of it. That's the same with schizophrenia. I would not worry one wit about whether he will get a job or not. Get him on SSI. He is disabled. If he is treated, there are organizations that help the disabled get jobs that they can handle. I work at one place like this---Goodwill. In my case it is a temporary job, but not for everyone and we have several people with schizoaffective and schizophrenia working. They are stable though. And they also don't work full time and collect SSI, but they are doing well. To worry about a job when your son is not able to tell this world from his fantasy work does not make any sense. I'd want to get guardianship over him as well. I have no doubt you'd be given it...or a third party can get it. He is not capable of making his own decisions. That doesn't mean he has to live with you. He obviously can't. But you will have access to any health records he gets and can give input f you are the guardian. It's small, but it's better than nothing. I encourage doing what you can to help him from a distance, then try to let go. You can't control his illness. You know this. Alzheimers. Think of him as an Alzheimers patient and have the same compassion. On the other hand, if they did not allow Alzheimers patients to be involuntarily treated, they would also wander the streets, unaware they are sick. Our laws favor Alzheimers/disfavor schizophrenics, which is just plain irrational on the parts of those who make these laws. I am thinking most with Alzheimers however do have guardians. Perhaps that is the difference. Many people who like to give advice, do not understand that schizophrenia is THAT bad. When I was young, I spent ten weeks in a very good university psychiatrc ward that SIS voluntarily signed into. I had severe depression, but I was still able to witness in horror those who suffered worse...from schizophrenia and other thought disorders. Some people may not understand the severity of schizophrenia. They give advice not understanding that when a person hallucinates, he does NOT understand that the hallucination is not real. The advice giver may think that one can learn to ignore the loud, pelting, forever voices while in the throes of a breakdown. They can't. They may not understand that they may not even know the date, the time, their own names sometimes. They may totally believe, without doubt, that they are Jesus Christ or President Obama or they may see, feel and hear that demons are inside of them or bugs are crawling on them eating their skin. That terrifies them as they think it is really happening. I read one can also have smelling and touching hallucinations. They can smell waste product that is not really there, but to them it is real. They can feel somebody violating theier body although nobody is really touching them. Some become catatonic and can not move. I saw one when I was in the hospital. She stood in place, hardly blinking. To sit her down, staff had to bend her knees and carry her. She improved with medications and was talking five days later, but it was both fascinating and frightening to watch this poor woman being alive inside a body that would not obey her. Again, this is nothing like drug addiction or willful criminal behavior. Don't treat it like it is.That won't stop the police from arresting him, but then he will get treatment. Sadly, jails are our new psychiatric institutions and they are not equipped to handle it, but it's better than nothing. Your son sounds about as ill as it gets with schizophrenia. Did you contact NAMI to hear about any options you may have? I have read a lot about schizophrenia as it interests me, but I do not know anybody who has it so I really don't understand first hand what a parent or other loved one can do for a child who is that incredibly sisck. NAMI (National Alliance for the Mentally Ill) can help you more. Hugs and I'm so sorry for this entire situation. I do not believe Touch Love is the answer for schizophrenia at all. [/QUOTE]
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