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<blockquote data-quote="susiestar" data-source="post: 587383" data-attributes="member: 1233"><p>Terry, I haven't really commented on the drug tests. Personally I trust zero drug tests that are done by any lab that does not specalize in only doing drug tests. there is a good reason for this. A few years ago, maybe four or five, I got really sick. I had a migraine, and then a flu type virus hit and I could not keep medications down. I was on the highest dose of lyrica (a seizure medication used for nerve pain) and went cold turkey on it and on the pain medications that I had taken for two years at that time. I was taking a LOT of phenergan due to the migraine and virus. I had a seizure and lost 3 days of my life. I won't get them back or know really what happened. I apparently spent the first two days moaning in pain incoherently. When I gained my senses they accused me of binging on meth.</p><p></p><p>I have not taken illegal drugs ever, nor taken my medications inappropriately. I am super careful and rather Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) about how I take my medications. No one at the hospital called either my primary care doctor or my pain doctor. THis was the hospital doctor's call. She NEVER spoke to me, not even during the 36 hrs she made me stay in the hospital after I regained consciousness. I was told I had to be evaluated by people from our local free mental health center and could not call my docs or my psychiatrist or my therapist. I was told that ANY attempt to contact them to get them to give info to the doctor or MH people would be seen as an admission of my addiction and my children would be taken from me. I was TERRIFIED by these people that they would take my children. It was AWFUL.</p><p></p><p>Two weeks after I was released I saw my pain doctor. He was ****** and started finding info on the hospital doctor. Seems her private practice was in ruins due to her incompetence and her only patients were those who came to the hospital and were not allowed to contact their doctors. He looked at the hospital lab results on the drug tests and saw clear evidence that zero meth showed up in my system. That positive meth result was in fact a positive for phenergan and benadryl. WHen the test is done improperly, the results look like meth until you look at the way the test was done, then it is clearly NOT a result that indicated meth use. </p><p></p><p>He cautioned me against EVER having that lab do a drug test. Said to refer ANYONE including law enforcement to him and he would do any testing they wanted. His preferred lab, one in Dallas, does NOTHING other than drug tests. They do a LOT of them for law enforcement all over the country. But results are not immediate and cost a bit more than most because of this. He said that due to all the supplements people take, and the variety of foods that mpact drug tests, it is important to only have drug tests done by labs that do nothing else. Other labs don't know enough about what they are doing and they end up with a huge rate of false positives. Some of the info he gave me showed that there are MANY people in jail/prison for drug use who never used a drug but got a bad test or a test done by a bad lab. THe rate of error of false positives is enormously high and NO ONE in legal circles wants to talk about it or admit it. </p><p></p><p>I am sure the PO would tell you that it isn't possible to have a false positive. I have had LOTS of cops and doctors tell me this. I have also seen the statistics from the types of tests and from our local hospital's lab and from the lab my doctor uses and I will NOT agree to a tox/drug screen done by our hospital ever again. First, I know some of their lab people. I wouldn't trust them to follow a recipe, or to wash their hands. I knew some from candystriping in the hospital, others from going Occupational Therapist (OT) school with them or having kids in the same classes with theirs. No way would my life be in their careless, badly educated hands. I know two of them flunked out of college and the lab director lied about his masters cause he doesn't have one. They do a LOT of tests for the city and county police. I know a few defense attorneys and their stories about the reliability of the hospital lab are scary. The hospital has repeatedly failed accreditation reviews, etc... and is constantly on probation for procedural and sanitation and contamination problems. So they are not trustworthy.</p><p></p><p>Unless you know the lab is run properly (and more are not than are) and things are done according to certain standards, ALL results are suspect. Even when everything is done right, there is still a very real chance that a false positive can occur.</p><p></p><p>So I would put my belief in difficult child's actions, not his words or some test done by people you cannot talk to and a lab you cannot confirm or deny the practices of.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="susiestar, post: 587383, member: 1233"] Terry, I haven't really commented on the drug tests. Personally I trust zero drug tests that are done by any lab that does not specalize in only doing drug tests. there is a good reason for this. A few years ago, maybe four or five, I got really sick. I had a migraine, and then a flu type virus hit and I could not keep medications down. I was on the highest dose of lyrica (a seizure medication used for nerve pain) and went cold turkey on it and on the pain medications that I had taken for two years at that time. I was taking a LOT of phenergan due to the migraine and virus. I had a seizure and lost 3 days of my life. I won't get them back or know really what happened. I apparently spent the first two days moaning in pain incoherently. When I gained my senses they accused me of binging on meth. I have not taken illegal drugs ever, nor taken my medications inappropriately. I am super careful and rather Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD) about how I take my medications. No one at the hospital called either my primary care doctor or my pain doctor. THis was the hospital doctor's call. She NEVER spoke to me, not even during the 36 hrs she made me stay in the hospital after I regained consciousness. I was told I had to be evaluated by people from our local free mental health center and could not call my docs or my psychiatrist or my therapist. I was told that ANY attempt to contact them to get them to give info to the doctor or MH people would be seen as an admission of my addiction and my children would be taken from me. I was TERRIFIED by these people that they would take my children. It was AWFUL. Two weeks after I was released I saw my pain doctor. He was ****** and started finding info on the hospital doctor. Seems her private practice was in ruins due to her incompetence and her only patients were those who came to the hospital and were not allowed to contact their doctors. He looked at the hospital lab results on the drug tests and saw clear evidence that zero meth showed up in my system. That positive meth result was in fact a positive for phenergan and benadryl. WHen the test is done improperly, the results look like meth until you look at the way the test was done, then it is clearly NOT a result that indicated meth use. He cautioned me against EVER having that lab do a drug test. Said to refer ANYONE including law enforcement to him and he would do any testing they wanted. His preferred lab, one in Dallas, does NOTHING other than drug tests. They do a LOT of them for law enforcement all over the country. But results are not immediate and cost a bit more than most because of this. He said that due to all the supplements people take, and the variety of foods that mpact drug tests, it is important to only have drug tests done by labs that do nothing else. Other labs don't know enough about what they are doing and they end up with a huge rate of false positives. Some of the info he gave me showed that there are MANY people in jail/prison for drug use who never used a drug but got a bad test or a test done by a bad lab. THe rate of error of false positives is enormously high and NO ONE in legal circles wants to talk about it or admit it. I am sure the PO would tell you that it isn't possible to have a false positive. I have had LOTS of cops and doctors tell me this. I have also seen the statistics from the types of tests and from our local hospital's lab and from the lab my doctor uses and I will NOT agree to a tox/drug screen done by our hospital ever again. First, I know some of their lab people. I wouldn't trust them to follow a recipe, or to wash their hands. I knew some from candystriping in the hospital, others from going Occupational Therapist (OT) school with them or having kids in the same classes with theirs. No way would my life be in their careless, badly educated hands. I know two of them flunked out of college and the lab director lied about his masters cause he doesn't have one. They do a LOT of tests for the city and county police. I know a few defense attorneys and their stories about the reliability of the hospital lab are scary. The hospital has repeatedly failed accreditation reviews, etc... and is constantly on probation for procedural and sanitation and contamination problems. So they are not trustworthy. Unless you know the lab is run properly (and more are not than are) and things are done according to certain standards, ALL results are suspect. Even when everything is done right, there is still a very real chance that a false positive can occur. So I would put my belief in difficult child's actions, not his words or some test done by people you cannot talk to and a lab you cannot confirm or deny the practices of. [/QUOTE]
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