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<blockquote data-quote="SuZir" data-source="post: 552706" data-attributes="member: 14557"><p>I wasn't really talking about few beers when I said relapse. I meant more like constant drinking benders. I don't know if it is a local phenomenon, but at least here the very common type of alcoholism seems to be a one, there a person either isn't drinking at all or is drinking compulsively some period of time (often until they physically can't any more.) They may think they are taking just one or two beers but after that they may drink a week or two and be a whole time drunk, miss work etc. A typical relapse for alcoholics I know are like that. And I think treatment is working, if an alcoholic gets back to the wagon after relapses and those relapses get shorter and times between them get longer.</p><p></p><p>I live in the country there we mostly use ICD-10. So for example alcoholism is defined like this <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060427015733/http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-sb01.html" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20060427015733/http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-sb01.html</a> But of course it is often difficult to say, who is alcoholic and who is not. For example my dad is a difficult case. He has certainly been alcoholic according to ICD-10 in several times in his life. Still he also have had several, long periods of time (I'm talking about years and even decades) when he has been mostly social drinker and in control of his drinking. He has been treated at least three times for delirium that I know and hospitalised because of alcohol poisoning many more times. He has been also kicked out of Minnesota treatment centre for drinking (and getting others to drink) and gone through it twice (and started to drink right after it again.) But as I said, he has also had long periods in his life, when he has used alcohol and had a control over it. He is also currently doing so. He has also dabbled with all kinds of drugs, but I'm not sure if he has ever been really addicted to those.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SuZir, post: 552706, member: 14557"] I wasn't really talking about few beers when I said relapse. I meant more like constant drinking benders. I don't know if it is a local phenomenon, but at least here the very common type of alcoholism seems to be a one, there a person either isn't drinking at all or is drinking compulsively some period of time (often until they physically can't any more.) They may think they are taking just one or two beers but after that they may drink a week or two and be a whole time drunk, miss work etc. A typical relapse for alcoholics I know are like that. And I think treatment is working, if an alcoholic gets back to the wagon after relapses and those relapses get shorter and times between them get longer. I live in the country there we mostly use ICD-10. So for example alcoholism is defined like this [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20060427015733/http://www.mentalhealth.com/icd/p22-sb01.html[/url] But of course it is often difficult to say, who is alcoholic and who is not. For example my dad is a difficult case. He has certainly been alcoholic according to ICD-10 in several times in his life. Still he also have had several, long periods of time (I'm talking about years and even decades) when he has been mostly social drinker and in control of his drinking. He has been treated at least three times for delirium that I know and hospitalised because of alcohol poisoning many more times. He has been also kicked out of Minnesota treatment centre for drinking (and getting others to drink) and gone through it twice (and started to drink right after it again.) But as I said, he has also had long periods in his life, when he has used alcohol and had a control over it. He is also currently doing so. He has also dabbled with all kinds of drugs, but I'm not sure if he has ever been really addicted to those. [/QUOTE]
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