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<blockquote data-quote="Star*" data-source="post: 176287" data-attributes="member: 4964"><p>When the police came from calling 911 - ???? </p><p> </p><p>Did you? </p><p> </p><p>Call them when he was yelling and screaming so that the dispatch operator could get him recorded? </p><p> </p><p>Did you insist that you want to press charges for personal property damage? </p><p> </p><p>Did you INSIST that he is a danger TO OTHERS? </p><p> </p><p>Hon - at this point - you are hostage in your own home and you are dealing with a police dept that is probably clueless about (like most of the world) what to do with our kids. </p><p> </p><p>They make the rules, but then very few of them EVER EVER EVER have to live with this violence. So you have to play their game and I'm not suggesting you be a player or play games - but it's time to get him OUT for your safety (doors locked) and the sooner the better. </p><p> </p><p>I realize he's under house arrest - but so are you. And amazingly enough a lot of people don't know that if you take a child to the emergency room when he is calm and quiet - if they make you SIT THERE long enough he WILL blow a cork eventually and THEN witnesses will see that he is a danger to self and/or others. </p><p> </p><p>The other option is to call the police - the next time he is violent and TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER that YOU WANT HIM TRANSPORTED TO THE LOCAL HOSPITAL as you are in fear of your life. TELL THEM THE WORDS that they are trained to hear - "I FEAR HE IS A DANGER TO OUR FAMILY." </p><p> </p><p>If you do that "So he can do this and that and this and that and get away with it?" You are almost TELLING a cop - "Hey it's okay it's just inconvenient." The words they are trained to listen for are: </p><p> </p><p>I fear for my life</p><p>He is a danger to himself and others</p><p>I fear reprisal</p><p> </p><p>Then the big one - I WOULD HATE to have him come in here so on edge and do something to our family AFTER I BEGGED YOU to take him. When he does something officer - do you want THAT on your conscience? Then ask for his commanders name and number - </p><p> </p><p>It's sad.....it is very very sad that more police officers do not have CIT (crisis intervention training) and the fact that EVERYONE keeps "threatening" him with - YOU will leave if....nextime. Teaching him a lot on how to skirt the issues. </p><p> </p><p>I agree with SaraPA too - It could be his medication. Zoloft made Dude and myself suicidal and very irritable. But.....BIG BUT - don't totally blame the medication. He's an angry young man. VERY angry - and he needs to be somewhere he can get control of his anger. That isn't going to happen at your house - and if you try to explain this to anyone - they're going to assume that it's an episodic event and you'll all calm down until the next episodic event. </p><p> </p><p>CALL THE COMMANDER of that police dept. THEY CAN take him to the hospital for observation - you just have to stand firm and tell them NO WAY IN HADES is THIS KID COMING BACK INTO OUR HOME - and every time you take him back - and back down from the cops? THey will repeat this process ad nauseum. BECAUSE like I said - without training and knowledge of mentally ill people - MOST law enforcement officers believe this is just - absent dad, over worked single mom - angry at the world teen.......and NOT recognize it as a mental illness that REQUIRES hospitalization.</p><p> </p><p>If it happens again before Friday - CALL 911 - STAND YOUR GROUND. IF they leave and he does it again? CALL 911 STAND YOUR GROUND. I'd call that dang police dept. so much they'd haul him somewhere just to stop wasting the gas to come out to my house. AND remember - let them hear him YELLING......and then say "I AM IN FEAR FOR MY SAFETY." </p><p> </p><p>I am really so sorry I know anything about this at all - but over the years - you would croak if I told you what I've had to do and been through with Dude - dont' you see NO ONE here is surprised by his outbursts? You are not alone. </p><p> </p><p>Hugs</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Star*, post: 176287, member: 4964"] When the police came from calling 911 - ???? Did you? Call them when he was yelling and screaming so that the dispatch operator could get him recorded? Did you insist that you want to press charges for personal property damage? Did you INSIST that he is a danger TO OTHERS? Hon - at this point - you are hostage in your own home and you are dealing with a police dept that is probably clueless about (like most of the world) what to do with our kids. They make the rules, but then very few of them EVER EVER EVER have to live with this violence. So you have to play their game and I'm not suggesting you be a player or play games - but it's time to get him OUT for your safety (doors locked) and the sooner the better. I realize he's under house arrest - but so are you. And amazingly enough a lot of people don't know that if you take a child to the emergency room when he is calm and quiet - if they make you SIT THERE long enough he WILL blow a cork eventually and THEN witnesses will see that he is a danger to self and/or others. The other option is to call the police - the next time he is violent and TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER that YOU WANT HIM TRANSPORTED TO THE LOCAL HOSPITAL as you are in fear of your life. TELL THEM THE WORDS that they are trained to hear - "I FEAR HE IS A DANGER TO OUR FAMILY." If you do that "So he can do this and that and this and that and get away with it?" You are almost TELLING a cop - "Hey it's okay it's just inconvenient." The words they are trained to listen for are: I fear for my life He is a danger to himself and others I fear reprisal Then the big one - I WOULD HATE to have him come in here so on edge and do something to our family AFTER I BEGGED YOU to take him. When he does something officer - do you want THAT on your conscience? Then ask for his commanders name and number - It's sad.....it is very very sad that more police officers do not have CIT (crisis intervention training) and the fact that EVERYONE keeps "threatening" him with - YOU will leave if....nextime. Teaching him a lot on how to skirt the issues. I agree with SaraPA too - It could be his medication. Zoloft made Dude and myself suicidal and very irritable. But.....BIG BUT - don't totally blame the medication. He's an angry young man. VERY angry - and he needs to be somewhere he can get control of his anger. That isn't going to happen at your house - and if you try to explain this to anyone - they're going to assume that it's an episodic event and you'll all calm down until the next episodic event. CALL THE COMMANDER of that police dept. THEY CAN take him to the hospital for observation - you just have to stand firm and tell them NO WAY IN HADES is THIS KID COMING BACK INTO OUR HOME - and every time you take him back - and back down from the cops? THey will repeat this process ad nauseum. BECAUSE like I said - without training and knowledge of mentally ill people - MOST law enforcement officers believe this is just - absent dad, over worked single mom - angry at the world teen.......and NOT recognize it as a mental illness that REQUIRES hospitalization. If it happens again before Friday - CALL 911 - STAND YOUR GROUND. IF they leave and he does it again? CALL 911 STAND YOUR GROUND. I'd call that dang police dept. so much they'd haul him somewhere just to stop wasting the gas to come out to my house. AND remember - let them hear him YELLING......and then say "I AM IN FEAR FOR MY SAFETY." I am really so sorry I know anything about this at all - but over the years - you would croak if I told you what I've had to do and been through with Dude - dont' you see NO ONE here is surprised by his outbursts? You are not alone. Hugs [/QUOTE]
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