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<blockquote data-quote="Marguerite" data-source="post: 206482" data-attributes="member: 1991"><p>OK< they are lies but not complex ones. She's not going into fantastical details about how aliens landed in the backyard, took her for a long ride in their flying saucer and then turned her homework into a weird alien experiment. THAT'S the kind of lie an autistic kid can't tell. But the "Yes, it's done as you asked, "or the "I didn't break the vase," - yes, these are the lies all kids tell, autistic or otherwise.</p><p></p><p>A funny example (well, funny now) - difficult child 3 was a baby, not yet a year old, trying to walk. He was pulling himself up on furniture and already a skilled climber. He could climb almost to ceiling height to get to what he wanted, usually a key to break into what he wanted (like the coin money box that sorted coins according to size - if only I knew then what I know now!).</p><p></p><p>I was sitting in the living room with a visitor, a neighbour. difficult child 3 had crawled off into the kitchen. We heard a crash - the neighbour rushed in to the kitchen ahead of me, he said he found difficult child 3 surrounded by the biscuit tin which he'd pulled down. difficult child 3 was stuffing biscuits under his fat little legs, trying to hide the evidence! He had wanted a biscuit, I was occupied so he decided to climb on the kitchen chair to get what he wanted; but the tin crashed down emptying contents everywhere.</p><p></p><p>What got us - the biscuit-stuffing under the legs. As if we wouldn't notice! Plus a determination to still try to get away with it, even when caught red-handed...</p><p></p><p>So even though difficult child 3 was non-verbal, I consider this to be his first lie.</p><p></p><p>All kids lie to get out of trouble or to deflect blame. Although they can be about big things (expensive vase broken; child digging in the garden while wearing Mummy's jewellery, and losing/breaking it) the lie itself is not as bad/worrying as a child who makes up lies for apparently no reason - "I saw my friend steal a toy from the store yesterday" when friend was not in the store at all. husband's cousin made up stories about me, told his parents that as we sat in the back seat of the car driving home (husband's father and uncle were in the front seat) that I had been 'feeling him up'. OK, maybe it was teenage boy with a fantasy that motivated him, but to tell his parents? That was bizarre. He's said/done other bizarre things over the years so he is a worry. </p><p></p><p>Barbie - keep an open mind on the various possibilities. These lies do not in any way rule out Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD).</p><p></p><p>Marg</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marguerite, post: 206482, member: 1991"] OK< they are lies but not complex ones. She's not going into fantastical details about how aliens landed in the backyard, took her for a long ride in their flying saucer and then turned her homework into a weird alien experiment. THAT'S the kind of lie an autistic kid can't tell. But the "Yes, it's done as you asked, "or the "I didn't break the vase," - yes, these are the lies all kids tell, autistic or otherwise. A funny example (well, funny now) - difficult child 3 was a baby, not yet a year old, trying to walk. He was pulling himself up on furniture and already a skilled climber. He could climb almost to ceiling height to get to what he wanted, usually a key to break into what he wanted (like the coin money box that sorted coins according to size - if only I knew then what I know now!). I was sitting in the living room with a visitor, a neighbour. difficult child 3 had crawled off into the kitchen. We heard a crash - the neighbour rushed in to the kitchen ahead of me, he said he found difficult child 3 surrounded by the biscuit tin which he'd pulled down. difficult child 3 was stuffing biscuits under his fat little legs, trying to hide the evidence! He had wanted a biscuit, I was occupied so he decided to climb on the kitchen chair to get what he wanted; but the tin crashed down emptying contents everywhere. What got us - the biscuit-stuffing under the legs. As if we wouldn't notice! Plus a determination to still try to get away with it, even when caught red-handed... So even though difficult child 3 was non-verbal, I consider this to be his first lie. All kids lie to get out of trouble or to deflect blame. Although they can be about big things (expensive vase broken; child digging in the garden while wearing Mummy's jewellery, and losing/breaking it) the lie itself is not as bad/worrying as a child who makes up lies for apparently no reason - "I saw my friend steal a toy from the store yesterday" when friend was not in the store at all. husband's cousin made up stories about me, told his parents that as we sat in the back seat of the car driving home (husband's father and uncle were in the front seat) that I had been 'feeling him up'. OK, maybe it was teenage boy with a fantasy that motivated him, but to tell his parents? That was bizarre. He's said/done other bizarre things over the years so he is a worry. Barbie - keep an open mind on the various possibilities. These lies do not in any way rule out Pervasive Developmental Disorder (PDD). Marg [/QUOTE]
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