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<blockquote data-quote="Nomad" data-source="post: 247833"><p>I think the last poster makes very good points and am grateful that it was mentioned. </p><p>This is a difficult situation. I know that I have always felt grateful when people were non judgmental toward our unwell child. It bugs me how many times I went around asking for help/advice...but no one had it for me. It bugs me that so many people instead judged me. It took me a long time to find the right people to help me. And there are few people who really "get it." </p><p> </p><p>I do not know what the right answers are here. Adoption does seem like a good possiblity. Perhaps significant supervised assistsance. We can only hope that this mother gets the help that she herself needs. It's hard to find it in our hearts to be hopeful that this mother has a breakthrough. Mental illness is not a pleasant topic and many of us know that this is a possibility here. Perhaps a personality issue. On top of that, it seems we have a physician with his own set of issues. Disturbing.</p><p> </p><p> Our hearts turn first to the children and that is fine. But she herself seems to need treatment. She is human being and therefore it is sad and unfortunate that her thinking is problematic and has caused so much turmoil for those around her. How many of us really understand that one???? Surely, her family has had very difficult times. It is likely that her parents have not known what to do in order to cope with this confusion and maybe they have made it worse. </p><p> </p><p>I hold the doctor even more accountable for the situation. One would think that he is in a position of responsibility and accountability. However, it may be that other motives were at play here and they certainly don't seem to be in the best interest of this woman, her family, these children or society. Yet, he gets to hide his face. He is no where to be found. We either don't know who he is or barely know who he is. Yet, he is really the one that is mostly responsible. He knew that she had six other children. He likely knew that this woman was financially unstable and likely knew that there were other concerns. Yet...he moved forward with his plans. What is wrong with this picture? We are angry with this woman...yet where is this doctor? Hopefully, the doctor will have to shoulder some of the responsibility. Was this doctor reponsible at all? Is he fit to be a doctor? Has he contributed to hurting their community.....at least partially?</p><p> </p><p>I heard about that group that has come forward with a plan to help the children...even the mother. She shows no interest. Perhaps someone can talk some sense into her...to take a good look. Maybe something like this could work. It is hard to say. Maybe the parents will be forthcoming with information in the coming days. Who knows. I bet they have seen a lot. Now I heard on GMA a man claiming to be the sperm donor has stepped forward...but Nadia says he is not the one. I'm wondering if the DA should be called in. Could this be some sort of weird profit making business? </p><p> </p><p>All this family and community can do is move forward. Perhaps something can be done to prevent this from happening again...and my thought is that it starts with this doctor and others like him. It will take much thought and work. Part of that plan perhaps should be that the mother also receive treatment and that laws are put into effect to change invitro fertilization. Perhaps they could be in the form of "standards." I think the outrage needs to be placed more on the doctor and on the industry. They had some controls and they chose not to use them. They are at least equally to blame and few are looking in their direction. I think energy needs to be placed there (so this doesn't happen again) for the babies (their safety and futures) and lastly for this mother and possible treatment. She <strong>is a potential maker of babies...but this doctor is a potential maker of cities. </strong>in my humble opinion, this is a complicated and sad situation and it really concerns me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nomad, post: 247833"] I think the last poster makes very good points and am grateful that it was mentioned. This is a difficult situation. I know that I have always felt grateful when people were non judgmental toward our unwell child. It bugs me how many times I went around asking for help/advice...but no one had it for me. It bugs me that so many people instead judged me. It took me a long time to find the right people to help me. And there are few people who really "get it." I do not know what the right answers are here. Adoption does seem like a good possiblity. Perhaps significant supervised assistsance. We can only hope that this mother gets the help that she herself needs. It's hard to find it in our hearts to be hopeful that this mother has a breakthrough. Mental illness is not a pleasant topic and many of us know that this is a possibility here. Perhaps a personality issue. On top of that, it seems we have a physician with his own set of issues. Disturbing. Our hearts turn first to the children and that is fine. But she herself seems to need treatment. She is human being and therefore it is sad and unfortunate that her thinking is problematic and has caused so much turmoil for those around her. How many of us really understand that one???? Surely, her family has had very difficult times. It is likely that her parents have not known what to do in order to cope with this confusion and maybe they have made it worse. I hold the doctor even more accountable for the situation. One would think that he is in a position of responsibility and accountability. However, it may be that other motives were at play here and they certainly don't seem to be in the best interest of this woman, her family, these children or society. Yet, he gets to hide his face. He is no where to be found. We either don't know who he is or barely know who he is. Yet, he is really the one that is mostly responsible. He knew that she had six other children. He likely knew that this woman was financially unstable and likely knew that there were other concerns. Yet...he moved forward with his plans. What is wrong with this picture? We are angry with this woman...yet where is this doctor? Hopefully, the doctor will have to shoulder some of the responsibility. Was this doctor reponsible at all? Is he fit to be a doctor? Has he contributed to hurting their community.....at least partially? I heard about that group that has come forward with a plan to help the children...even the mother. She shows no interest. Perhaps someone can talk some sense into her...to take a good look. Maybe something like this could work. It is hard to say. Maybe the parents will be forthcoming with information in the coming days. Who knows. I bet they have seen a lot. Now I heard on GMA a man claiming to be the sperm donor has stepped forward...but Nadia says he is not the one. I'm wondering if the DA should be called in. Could this be some sort of weird profit making business? All this family and community can do is move forward. Perhaps something can be done to prevent this from happening again...and my thought is that it starts with this doctor and others like him. It will take much thought and work. Part of that plan perhaps should be that the mother also receive treatment and that laws are put into effect to change invitro fertilization. Perhaps they could be in the form of "standards." I think the outrage needs to be placed more on the doctor and on the industry. They had some controls and they chose not to use them. They are at least equally to blame and few are looking in their direction. I think energy needs to be placed there (so this doesn't happen again) for the babies (their safety and futures) and lastly for this mother and possible treatment. She [B]is a potential maker of babies...but this doctor is a potential maker of cities. [/B]in my humble opinion, this is a complicated and sad situation and it really concerns me. [/QUOTE]
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