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<blockquote data-quote="Ropefree" data-source="post: 249655" data-attributes="member: 6271"><p>What I learned from the media reporting is the woman pursued this meathod for conception as she was unable to conceive naturally due to blockage in her fallopian tubes.</p><p>The attorney for the contraversial physician had advised the physician to go ahead and implant all of the embryos because they belonged to her. Her remark in her first interview (which she had agreed to for payment) was something about that.</p><p>The public uproar over this mother who hit the medias interest because of the eight premature infants she delivered was due to the number in the multiple birth.</p><p>Outrage that she is single, that she was living on disability, that she had six children under eight.</p><p>Eugenics, which is what an 'intellectual discussion' about forced sterilization is all about when controlling reproductive lives by, well, force.</p><p>With this woman the means, were they used, would require either forcing her to take a medication to prevent further pregancies, or monitoring her reproduction. these meathods have risks. And some of those are mental health consiquences when they are. Removal of her ovaries is another, sence a tubal ligation would not be useful as she can not concieve by that means anyway. And that would throw her into menapause, seems harsh at her age. OR remove her uterus. Which is not really a spare part for women.</p><p>On a practical level she does as a parent with 14 children and unemployed and her family does need her now for quite a long time to come. She may be earning quite a bit of money over this next year that willl go along way toward keeping her afloat.</p><p>I am not clear that the conjecture and the critism she is getting even from </p><p>talk show host DR. Phil, is all that relavant. Time will tell if she is able to muster the help and pull off the safe care.</p><p>None of this would have been possible without her for pay physician and his legal advisor.</p><p>And her cooperative donor.</p><p>Other women are essentially doing the same thing without the fancy doctor and the media attention when after having one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifeteen + children they are waiting to see what creator wants.</p><p>And certainly hoards of men are reproducing via non-paticipatory relationships both voluntary and non. i read about donors mailing sperm from prison in Texus and how reproduction was a right. </p><p>I think that looking to women to self regulate is still by far more useful. And the moral delema that the Octomom faced between using or distroying her frozen embryos has more to do with the ethics of IV practises and less about how to control women who would pay for the service.</p><p>Even if it were illegal here, eventually it will be availble for pay elsewhere and the babies will keep on coming.</p><p>Interesting that brokering her offspring now that they are here is also tradiing in human lives. In the courtroom of public opinion this woman who was on TV when just a week post partum (how many women would look sane in the first week after birth, anyway? I remember it as this emotional twightly time.)</p><p>We embark on out lives as mothers with the love of our children.</p><p>The other larger than regular families all started in houses that were to small. She has a place to live. That is something. Hopefully she will get the help she needs for her children and for herself and make something good out of this legal/medical funnybusiness.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ropefree, post: 249655, member: 6271"] What I learned from the media reporting is the woman pursued this meathod for conception as she was unable to conceive naturally due to blockage in her fallopian tubes. The attorney for the contraversial physician had advised the physician to go ahead and implant all of the embryos because they belonged to her. Her remark in her first interview (which she had agreed to for payment) was something about that. The public uproar over this mother who hit the medias interest because of the eight premature infants she delivered was due to the number in the multiple birth. Outrage that she is single, that she was living on disability, that she had six children under eight. Eugenics, which is what an 'intellectual discussion' about forced sterilization is all about when controlling reproductive lives by, well, force. With this woman the means, were they used, would require either forcing her to take a medication to prevent further pregancies, or monitoring her reproduction. these meathods have risks. And some of those are mental health consiquences when they are. Removal of her ovaries is another, sence a tubal ligation would not be useful as she can not concieve by that means anyway. And that would throw her into menapause, seems harsh at her age. OR remove her uterus. Which is not really a spare part for women. On a practical level she does as a parent with 14 children and unemployed and her family does need her now for quite a long time to come. She may be earning quite a bit of money over this next year that willl go along way toward keeping her afloat. I am not clear that the conjecture and the critism she is getting even from talk show host DR. Phil, is all that relavant. Time will tell if she is able to muster the help and pull off the safe care. None of this would have been possible without her for pay physician and his legal advisor. And her cooperative donor. Other women are essentially doing the same thing without the fancy doctor and the media attention when after having one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifeteen + children they are waiting to see what creator wants. And certainly hoards of men are reproducing via non-paticipatory relationships both voluntary and non. i read about donors mailing sperm from prison in Texus and how reproduction was a right. I think that looking to women to self regulate is still by far more useful. And the moral delema that the Octomom faced between using or distroying her frozen embryos has more to do with the ethics of IV practises and less about how to control women who would pay for the service. Even if it were illegal here, eventually it will be availble for pay elsewhere and the babies will keep on coming. Interesting that brokering her offspring now that they are here is also tradiing in human lives. In the courtroom of public opinion this woman who was on TV when just a week post partum (how many women would look sane in the first week after birth, anyway? I remember it as this emotional twightly time.) We embark on out lives as mothers with the love of our children. The other larger than regular families all started in houses that were to small. She has a place to live. That is something. Hopefully she will get the help she needs for her children and for herself and make something good out of this legal/medical funnybusiness. [/QUOTE]
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