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<blockquote data-quote="Star*" data-source="post: 393270" data-attributes="member: 4964"><p>Hound, </p><p> </p><p>I think I would make it an all or nothing deal for the grands. Stand your ground and don't let them separate or pick and choose a child, that child, these two children. I can see the logic in Katies choices or her twisted logic rather from the point of a schizophreic mind it's very solid. WE have needs, and without a child - our plea to people won't be as strong. We "get" more with a kid, our barganing chip is gone? It's just two middle aged people panhandling - not parents with a needy child. And then you have to factor in the foodstamps issue. With a kid here? It's an extra $200 a month, without them? It's nothing. With them? It's Medicaid - without him? it's no insurance. WITH them? It's toys for tots and extra food bank issue and clothes and money for utilities at churches and places like that - and you can also figure that she will have their SS#'s memorized too. </p><p> </p><p>I think if you DO do this Hound you need to get it legalized in some way - Guardanship with SS#'s and medical and have her sign temporary custody over to you and husband. SOMETHING that gives you more than the right to decide if they can have medical treatment, and education rights. I also have had a lot of dealing with schizo personalities. However that said - WHY allow Katie the choice? If she is unfit? Find her unfit and go for custody of the kids period. Not just K and A - but K, A and E. The WHY they would want to hang on to E -Not nearly as important as the WHY YOU would need to make sure he has a roof over his head, clothes, food and education more importantly - love and stability and counseling. Not? </p><p> </p><p>I'm not trying to throw a frisbee in the park or aboomerang - I'm the voice that is saying - THINK NOW about this dog because THIS ONE is going to come back to bite you and the more leg work you do NOW to put up a fence, and do preventative work today - the LESS stress it's going to cause THOSE CHILDREN in the future. This is the type of woman that is selfish and if it isn't HER it's going tobe HIM causing problems - not at first. At first it's going to be AH gma - you're the best, thank you adn then in the middle of the night you're going to get calls, threats, lawyers saying you TOOK thekids from them - you STOLE them out of their arms, you took advantage of them when they were SO Down, SO OUT - that they had no other choice - I REALLY want you to seek an attorney and get the story down in writing here honey before this blows up after they have run and blown their fun time and can't figure out any other way BUT to use the kids again. Because you know it and I know it and everyone else that maybe is thinking it here but would never say it to you knows it - and I'm sorry - to be the one that does stand up and says it - because she IS your daughter and you DO love her, but she is sick - and not well people don't make good decisions and that's why you have friends - like me that are willing to stand here and take a chance that you get mad as hell at me for saying not only what I think - but what I've LIVED through and tell you that it CAN happen - HOPE TO GOODNESS IT DOES NOT - but prepare you for the chance that it could and make you aware -------and tell you - GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW NOW - make it all above board, legal and get yourself counsel on record, NOW - not just what you write down about her - GET A THIRD NON_PARTAISAN party involved. NOW. For your sake, for the kids' sake......and for Katies - because down the road she MAY need all this documented to PROVE that M DID NOTHING - and left it all up to you to help her. See? </p><p> </p><p>I hope the offer is - we saw an attorney today - and for all our sakes we've documented everything regarding K, A & E - we'll be glad to take them until XX/XX/20XX under these conditions if you XX (our terms). If by XX/XX/20XX these terms are not met by you and M - this and this and this will occur for the good of the children. You won't be able to XX after this date XX/XX/20XX - to protect you, us and them. This is not being signed under durress (or whatever it's called) and have them get a GAL for their sake - even offer to pay for that. However you have to do this to make it legal - DO IT. </p><p> </p><p>Don't let this bite you in the hiney - Don't let these babys go through getting comfey in YOUR home, settled and finally have a place to live and then have screw loose Daddy and bored and broke Mommy come back in and rip them out of your house on a technicality. Treat this like an adoption or foster care situation. Find out what EVERYONES RIGHTS ARE. Be proactive in this for everyones sake. </p><p> </p><p>Love you loads - and those kids too - </p><p> </p><p>Hugs </p><p>Star</p><p>(even if I sound like the harbinger of doom right now - I mean this in the best and most positive light) really.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Star*, post: 393270, member: 4964"] Hound, I think I would make it an all or nothing deal for the grands. Stand your ground and don't let them separate or pick and choose a child, that child, these two children. I can see the logic in Katies choices or her twisted logic rather from the point of a schizophreic mind it's very solid. WE have needs, and without a child - our plea to people won't be as strong. We "get" more with a kid, our barganing chip is gone? It's just two middle aged people panhandling - not parents with a needy child. And then you have to factor in the foodstamps issue. With a kid here? It's an extra $200 a month, without them? It's nothing. With them? It's Medicaid - without him? it's no insurance. WITH them? It's toys for tots and extra food bank issue and clothes and money for utilities at churches and places like that - and you can also figure that she will have their SS#'s memorized too. I think if you DO do this Hound you need to get it legalized in some way - Guardanship with SS#'s and medical and have her sign temporary custody over to you and husband. SOMETHING that gives you more than the right to decide if they can have medical treatment, and education rights. I also have had a lot of dealing with schizo personalities. However that said - WHY allow Katie the choice? If she is unfit? Find her unfit and go for custody of the kids period. Not just K and A - but K, A and E. The WHY they would want to hang on to E -Not nearly as important as the WHY YOU would need to make sure he has a roof over his head, clothes, food and education more importantly - love and stability and counseling. Not? I'm not trying to throw a frisbee in the park or aboomerang - I'm the voice that is saying - THINK NOW about this dog because THIS ONE is going to come back to bite you and the more leg work you do NOW to put up a fence, and do preventative work today - the LESS stress it's going to cause THOSE CHILDREN in the future. This is the type of woman that is selfish and if it isn't HER it's going tobe HIM causing problems - not at first. At first it's going to be AH gma - you're the best, thank you adn then in the middle of the night you're going to get calls, threats, lawyers saying you TOOK thekids from them - you STOLE them out of their arms, you took advantage of them when they were SO Down, SO OUT - that they had no other choice - I REALLY want you to seek an attorney and get the story down in writing here honey before this blows up after they have run and blown their fun time and can't figure out any other way BUT to use the kids again. Because you know it and I know it and everyone else that maybe is thinking it here but would never say it to you knows it - and I'm sorry - to be the one that does stand up and says it - because she IS your daughter and you DO love her, but she is sick - and not well people don't make good decisions and that's why you have friends - like me that are willing to stand here and take a chance that you get mad as hell at me for saying not only what I think - but what I've LIVED through and tell you that it CAN happen - HOPE TO GOODNESS IT DOES NOT - but prepare you for the chance that it could and make you aware -------and tell you - GET YOUR DUCKS IN A ROW NOW - make it all above board, legal and get yourself counsel on record, NOW - not just what you write down about her - GET A THIRD NON_PARTAISAN party involved. NOW. For your sake, for the kids' sake......and for Katies - because down the road she MAY need all this documented to PROVE that M DID NOTHING - and left it all up to you to help her. See? I hope the offer is - we saw an attorney today - and for all our sakes we've documented everything regarding K, A & E - we'll be glad to take them until XX/XX/20XX under these conditions if you XX (our terms). If by XX/XX/20XX these terms are not met by you and M - this and this and this will occur for the good of the children. You won't be able to XX after this date XX/XX/20XX - to protect you, us and them. This is not being signed under durress (or whatever it's called) and have them get a GAL for their sake - even offer to pay for that. However you have to do this to make it legal - DO IT. Don't let this bite you in the hiney - Don't let these babys go through getting comfey in YOUR home, settled and finally have a place to live and then have screw loose Daddy and bored and broke Mommy come back in and rip them out of your house on a technicality. Treat this like an adoption or foster care situation. Find out what EVERYONES RIGHTS ARE. Be proactive in this for everyones sake. Love you loads - and those kids too - Hugs Star (even if I sound like the harbinger of doom right now - I mean this in the best and most positive light) really. [/QUOTE]
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