Psychiatric meds...who in our community has taken them and...

Discussion in 'The Watercooler' started by MidwestMom, Mar 27, 2013.

  1. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

    list your meds, if you don't feel unsafe doing so.

    Has anyone, like me, felt worse on certain meds that the pdoc swears will make us feel better? Anyone feel they were overmedicated sometimes or not listened to?

    Don't go into any more detail than you feel comfortable doing, but I'd like to talk about psychiatric drugs and how they do not often do what they are supposed to do and even make us sometimes worse t han before...until/if we find the right medication, which can take ten years.

    If you are on a good med combo, how many years did it take you to find that combo?

    Anyone quit taking psychiatric meds altogether because of how they made you feel?

    Again, just post to the degree of your comfort level. I am fairly open, but realize not everyone does. Here's a list of the meds I can remember and what side effects I got from them until my journey to the med combo that has changed my life for the better for over twenty years.

    Ritalin--a bust. Made me very high until I was shaking then I crashed into a long depression caused by one little pill!

    amitriptylene--I had an unusual reaction that is very much like an LSD trip. Colors blended together. I heard things like they were on slow or fast speed. I couldn't speak coherantly. My throat was closing up (this was dangerous), I hallucinated and know what it feels like to be psychotic.

    tofrinil=worked at first, then had a reaction similar to amitripytilene, but much, much, much faster done and milder.

    senoquen--depressed, caused some hallucinations

    Lithium--scared me. Dulled me. Made me feel as if I was unreal and walking in a dream. Extreme depression and cognitive dulling.

    nortiptylene--Did not give me side effects!!!! Worked against my depression about 50%. I still had my depression symptoms, but was bascially able to function some of the time.Val

    Valium-killed any panic attack, but took 30 minutes or so and the effect didn't last. No side effects.

    Prozac--Lifted me out of my depressed quickly and in a few days, made ma a little manic. I felt great until two months later when it pooped out, leaving me more depressed than before. Upping the dose just made me more depressed. Prozac never worked for me after it pooped out. Gave me nightmares and ,although this is not supposed to be a side effect, I could hardly keep my eyes open while taking it. Fell asleep at work.

    Zoloft--After two weeks on this drug I was in the hospital with a heart racing so quickly they couldn't count my pulse, extreme agitation, akathesia, and other not-fun symptoms. Never will touch that one again. This was on only 50 mgs.

    Clonazapan--Fantastic med that gave me no side effects and tempered my panic attacks to the point that I don't have any anymore.

    Tegretal--Spacy, sleepy, out-of-it, that dream like state I felt on Lithium but not as bad, depression, I didn't like it. I felt funny on it.

    Inderol--spacy, dream-like, depressed, no thanks.

    Paroxatene--my magic pill that made almost all of my symptoms go away. They have not come back. My miracle pill. I LOVE PAROXATENE!!!! But a lot of people can't take it.

    I have been on Paroxatene and Clonazapan since age 40. I am almost 60. I will never go off of them. My life on these meds has been great, as opposed to chronic depression/anxiety/panic attacks without them.

    Note: Every time I would tell a pdoc I felt a med was making me feel worse, he would poo-poo it and say I actually needed MORE of the drug. After trying that a few times and feeling even worse, I learned to trust my own instincts and to say, "No. I'm right."

    Don't know what kind of response I'll get. Not sure people want to share this. But I put it out there because many of our kids complain about their drug side effects and often we don't listen...
  2. TeDo

    TeDo CD Hall of Fame

    I haven't been on any meds for about 15 years and don't even remember the LONG list of ones I was tried on. I know it was a lot, and in varying combinations, and pretty much all of them either put me to sleep, made me physically ill, or "altered" my perceptions in some way. I've had everything blurred, moving in and out of focus, shaking (what I was seeing was shaking), and I can't remember all the rest. Most of them were NOT fun or even helpful and I got the same response from the pdocs as you did. Prozac, and it alone, was my "miracle drug".

    As for not listening to our kids, I am the opposite. Gfg1 has been tried on many meds and each of them has been discontinued the moment he reported any side effects to me. After watching my 3 year old react to his first med by going on a "drug trip" on a stim, I have never taken any chances.
  3. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Active Member

    Methylphenidate... on it for years, can't function without it, and I don't even get the side effects that I want to get out of this med (appetite suppression... lol).
  4. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    I won't go on psych meds ever again. I'd rather use my brain to work through whatever's hammering me. And yes, I was one of those that was told "You need to take these forever."

    I tried Prozac. Standard dose made me hilariously manic, so I switched to half dose. Stopped when I felt I had worked my way over the anxiety hump. Weird side effect - I lost all cravings for chocolate.

    Severe depressive episode, Zoloft. This was about 10 years later, maybe. I was seriously non-functional, I needed something to make me Not Care until I could get a handle on my life and Kiddo's autism and Spouse's own depressive porn-addictive behaviors along with the stress he was dealing with at work.

    (Note: I think the porn habit was him just going nuts as a collector personality, not anything dangerous in and of itself. It frankly could have been comic books (and for a long time it was) or collectible plates or railroad spikes or anything - he just picked something free he could download that was enough of a distraction that he could refrain from thinking about work and the company buy-out by German Competitor Company.)

    Well, Zoloft worked all right. I didn't give a s*** about much of anything. I took a standard dose, lost all my empathic skills but maintained socially acceptible behavior out of habit, started paying bills late, was told again and again through therapy by the pshrink who kept the scrip up that I'd Need These Forever, tried hard to work with the ptherapist to keep myself functioning and stable, then started taking Ritalin too out of a desire to stay focused (part of the Zoloft was that I didn't care, thus didn't care about staying on task, whatever, I'll get it.)

    Ritalin - well, I reflected on that in a previous post. Like legal coke, I loved the stuff, it shut off the inner narrator completely and I was getting stuff done just this side of manic and sleeping better than I'd ever slept in my life. I was supposed to take 4 a day but I'd "bank" my pills and use it harder on weekends or whenever I felt like it.

    I was able to cut the Ritalin cold turkey, but I had to taper off the Zoloft against medical advice. (Because DEX lost his job and we were running out of insurance coverage.) I did that in steps, I had a routine going.

    1. Stop taking Zoloft.
    2. When the withdrawal fog starts, resume 1/2 dose.
    3. When fog lifts, stop pills again.
    4. When fog returns, resume at 1/2 of the above.

    I kept doing this for about a month, until I was out of pills.

    Then a week after my last 1/8th dose, some jerks knocked down the World Trade Center towers. I was watching this on TV, and in the midst of the horror I started that kind of hysterical laughter you can't fake. DEX looked at me, and I said in my best Lloyd Bridges voice ("Airplane!")...

    "I sure picked the wrong week to give up antidepressants."

    So no. I'd rather have the occasional s***ty days than have to feel that ever again.
  5. TerryJ2

    TerryJ2 Well-Known Member

    Nerfherder, lost your desire for chocolate? THAT drug should be banned!!!! lol.

    Funny/sad story about giving up your meds and then watching the towers go down ... I think we all had panic attacks after that.

    MWM, my gfg had the exact same symptoms you did when he took Zoloft. Scary! I do NOT like your dr! Anyone who poo-poos that kind of thing and then tells you to take more is full of it. I hope you switched!
    I tried Zoloft many yrs ago for stress and headaches. It gave me even worse headaches and I almost went to the ER. I'm glad it works for some people but I'm not going near it again.

    Nerfherder, I'll be staying away from Prozac too ... I love chocolate ...
  6. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

    Terry...doctor? In all my years from 23 to almost 60, I've had at least twenty doctors...lol. Only two of them really impressed me. One was the awesome, brilliant man from the University of Chicago where I stayed for ten weeks. He was way ahead of his time. The other was the one who gave me paroxatene because he gave me paroxatene and it worked...lol. But it took a good ten/fifteen years to get on the right drugs.

    I shudder at how many meds some doctors put our kids on, let alone us! I just wondered if a lot in our community had experience taking psychiatric meds. They are no picnic.
  7. AnnieO

    AnnieO Well-Known Member

    Zoloft, about 18 years ago... No effect.

    Wellbutrin, 10 years ago - psycho witch from hell. I didn't even want to be around me.

    Celexa, 3.5 years ago - miracle drug. MIR-A-CLE. 20mg. Upped to 40 after about 6 months. AWESOME stuff. For me. First few days I was a bit spacey.

    Accidentally took one of Onyxx's Seroquel... SUPER spacey.

    Chantix - to stop smoking - made me angry and nauseous. Anxiety attacks got worse.

    Back on Celexa now. May be time to return do 40mg (on 20 now)... Or not, depending on Onyxx... Sigh. PPD is AWFUL but I wonder how much was hormonal and how much was external.
  8. HaoZi

    HaoZi CD Hall of Fame

    Zoloft and Pamelor combo as a teen - helped me through a severe depression. Gained about 30lbs though.

    Wellbutrin XR in late 20s - did very well on this, gained no weight. No I didn't quit smoking, but it did help with depression.

    Effexor - never f'ing again. Night terrors. OMG. Two nights of that and I called doc and said I was never taking it again.

    Ativan - took it for panic attacks and insomnia after Katrina. Worked well. Took it again recently for social anxiety, panic related to PTSD. Worked well.

    Latuda - I took it and don't recall why it didn't work for me... got switched to Saphris.

    Saphris - for PTSD. Helps level my moods and manage my PTSD so I can handle Storm better. Works okay, i.e. I don't get angry as easily (I'm not a patient person and I have a short temper, as does she - bad combo).

    Neurontin - for mood leveling and pain management. I have a lot of general aches and pains in my joints and bones. Doesn't do anything for breakthrough pain like weather-related pain, but for the basic everyday pain it's been great, or was before I got sick. I'm still recovering from all that. Still not sure on the mood thing.

    Topamax - for anxiety. Works pretty good. Has also decreased my migraines (nice side effect!).
  9. cubsgirl

    cubsgirl Active Member

    So far Geodon, Wellbutrin and clonezpam has been a godsend for me. I tried Paxil (didn't work). I feel really even out on the combo I have now! For what's is worth I'm also on synthroid.
  10. Hound dog

    Hound dog Nana's are Beautiful

    The TBI gave me symptoms similar to bipolar for a while. Plus outrageous anxiety that was so bad I preferred never to leave the house, couldn't ride in a car without spazzing every time I detected something out the corner of my eye (didn't help that I have excellent peripheral vision), getting to sleep was next to impossible as my brain flat out refused to shut up. I would "lose" myself in the computer. Didn't really mean to........but yeah hours and hours and to me it was just a few minutes.

    So I got klonopin for the anxiety. Worked wonders. No stoned feeling and my muscles between my shoulder blades relaxed for the first time in 2 yrs (since the accident) Didn't do a whole lot for the spazzing in the car or not wanting to leave the house though.
    Trazadone to sleep.......also to hopefully help some of the zoning out stuff. Helped me sleep for about a month, then stopped working.
    Seroquil also for the same thing the trazadone was given for.......I slept again. I also realized after a few months my emotions were flat. Didn't feel happy. Didn't feel sad or depressed. Didn't feel a darn thing about anything to be honest. Didn't like it but wanted to sleep.

    Pdoc removed the klonopin afraid I'd get addicted. Got to have it a whole month.......gee whiz. omg Muscles between the shoulder blades have been tighter than ever, even now. He didn't put me on another anxiety med. Instead we worked on the anxiety itself. That was fun, not. But it worked and got it under control.

    Doc decided to try lamactil (sp). I might as well have taken nothing. But then.......I also wasn't truly bipolar either.

    Weaned myself off all of them before enrolling in school 7 yrs ago. I couldn't concentrate on them and they made my memory toast. (which I already have major issues with short term memory so yeah) Knew the proper way to wean so that wasn't too bad. Just some sleepless nights.......lots of them.

    Chantix to stop smoking.

    Not a side effect for any of them, not even the chantix which worked great until Fred informed me he'd not put back the cash to refill the script which ended that. ugh

    Oh welbutrin once to quit smoking........made me homicidal as all get out.

    Prozac makes my family suicidal, so no pdoc will script it.

    Zoloft made my non violent Travis suddenly go for his sisters throat simply because she walked into the room.

    Nichole had some side effects but when she took her meds she needed them. She weaned herself off about a year after Aubrey was born and has done better without them. IMO She just has to stay away from hormonal BC as it will put her on an awful emotional roller coaster.

    Waaaaaaaaaay back as a child I took whatever they were scripting for ADD/ADHD. It put me to sleep.......a dead sort of sleep that scared my Mom so bad she flushed it and refused to give it to me or anything else ever again.
  11. DammitJanet

    DammitJanet Moderator Staff Member

    Heavens....meds? I dont know if I can remember them all especially if you want me to include the kids.

    I think I first got prozac back in the mid 90's because I was so stressed out over the kids, work and my mom and it was simply awful. It made me feel like I was wearing a plastic mask over my face and couldnt feel anything. I didnt take it long at all.

    Then in 99 a therapist suggested that I ask my family doctor to put me on I believe the medication was called Serzone. OMG. It was newer AD that was supposed to be better because it didnt have the problem with decreasing libido. Well, let me tell ya, I found out quick I was bipolar to the nth degree because I went on a manic trip...better known as Mr Toads Wild Ride but I wasnt at Disney. About a week after I started taking it I stopped sleeping and I became so hypersexual that I was stalking sex chatrooms on the internet. I was working full time and not sleeping at night while I chatted with strangers on the internet having cyber sex. Eventually I planned this hook up out of state with one. I couldnt even think straight. I actually planned to leave right after Tony left for work in the morning. This was an awful plan because I actually passed him on the interstate! This almost broke up our relationship. I came home and confessed all...almost. Went to the doctor and told them these meds were killing me and they took me off them and sent me to a pdoc. I was off meds for several months after that because I was scared.

    Next I went on neurontin because they said it would help both the bipolar and the fibro. By that time we had discovered the fibro. I was just on the neurontin for about a year or so. I called it my six shots of tequila medicine. Every time I started it or increased it I felt like I took six shots of tequila. Odd it doesnt effect me that way now.

    Eventually I gave up the neurontin to start topamax and wellbutrin which was a very good combo for me for a long time. In 03, I added ativan and lamictal came in probably somewhere around 01 maybe. I think I added klonipin somewhere in there too around 03. I was also on ambien and trazadone for sleep for a long time but I found out in 06 that trazadone is related to serzone and that is why it wasnt working for me.

    Oh...I was on seroquel for a short time around the time I had the meningitis for help with both sleep and I came home with some leftover delusions from the tbi. Seroquel caused my cholesterol to go through the roof. Im still on meds for that.

    Right now Im on: lamictal 400 mgs. Topamax 600 mgs, Xanax ER 3 mgs, Ambien 5 mgs, Neurontin, Oxybutin, Prilosec, Synthroid, Lipitor, Morphine ER 45 mg twice a day, lorcet prn
  12. TerryJ2

    TerryJ2 Well-Known Member

    Cubsgirl, Synthroid can make a huge difference.

    This is where I am now, at my age, sigh ... "I wonder how much was hormonal and how much was external."
  13. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

    Lisa, you're hilarious but you brought up ain interesting point. Lithium made me the walking dead. No emotions. No feelings. Not able to react to anything or care about anything...that on top of making me feel as if I was walking in a dream and I wasn't sure if I was awake or dreaming. I never agreed to try a mood stablizer since then. My daughter complained about feeling exactly the same way on Depakote so, being 19, she tossed it down the toilet. She also said it made her unable to learn and she was in cosmetology school, which isn't as easy as it sounds. I will do ECT before I ever take a mood stabilizer. The only emotion I could feel on Lithium AND Tegretal was a black depression. Yech! And when I told the doctor, what did he do? He upped my dose so that I felt even worse. Finally I tossed the Lithium and slept for three days. I guess it can be dangerous to just quit Lithium cold turkey, but I didn't know and, at that point, I am not sure I would have cared. I woke up clearheaded and rational and angry at my doctor.

    The LSD-like experience was very informative. I got to see what hallucigenics do to teenagers and have no idea why anyone would want to experience psychosis. Not sure LSD makes your throat close up though...that was the scariest part. It lasted for three days...the hallucinations, not t he throat closing up.

    Maybe doctors should listen more?

    Janet, wow! You sure have a high tolerance to meds :)
  14. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    For what it's worth:

    I did some things in the early 80's, LSD once and Mushrooms twice. (Wow, that was 30 years ago!) Neither time did I experience anything like psychosis, when hallucinations occurred I knew they were hallucinations and never lost a sense of what was real and what wasn't. Frankly, LSD was like a very long movie that was kind of fun for the first two hours, then I got bored and spent time reading a stack of Reader's Digests while I waited for the effects to clear.

    The data I got out of that, when comparing experiences, is like this: If you're already broken, it won't fix you and can likely make you worse absent the appropriate "Set and Setting." (c.f. the writings of Leary and Lilly on the subject.) Also bear in mind that your chances of actually *getting* what you're paying for in an illegal street drug setting is pretty sketchy if not impossible.

    Apologies to the moderators if this is inappropriate.
  15. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

    I have been on more than a few, as has Wiz. Jess tried a couple during a really bad time and we didn't keep her on any of them for long b/c of side effects. I mean more than 2-3 days for the duration of medication for Jess.

    I did super well on prozac except it made my stomach burn for up to three hours after a couple of years and no stomach medication was able to stop this, so I stopped taking it.

    I was put on effexor and a few weeks later saw that doc for the last time. I hated that b/c she was awesome. At the starting dose effexor was helpful. The dose was increased after three weeks and threw me into a living nightmare. I couldn't leave my home w/o shaking and crying. I was supposed to go help erect a playground at the school my kids attended for three years and I was a MAJOR force behind raising enough money for this playgound. I couldn't go. could NOT get out of the car and had no clue why. I just shook and cried and cried and panicked over I have absolutely no clue what. I called my doc and her nurse told me to go check into a phosp because it was OBVIOUS that all the medical issues including my migraines and the flu I had three weeks before were signs that I was psychotic and not safe to have living anywhere but a phosp. She told me that if I wouldn't go to a phosp I should find a way to do my kids a favor and kill myself.

    I honestly thought I was hallucinating until I looked at my dh. I had the phone on speaker and had him listening b/c I didn't trust myself to rememer accurately if she gave me directions on tapering the med or another med to take. He was IRATE. The nurse did something nasty next. For over three months I would get a call the day before an appt with the doc saying my appt had been cancelled. Twice I was not told this ahead of time, showed up, and there was NO sign of my appt in the dr's schedule. That nurse was erasing my appts or cancelling them so I would not tell the doc what happened. Dh's appts got cancelled to.

    Effexor did more than give me fears and panic over things that had NEVER bothered me before. It also made me feel bizarre things. If I was 30 min late for a dose, I knew it and it HURT. BADLY. It made me feel very strange electric shocks in my brain. It actually felt like a little electric shock a few times an hour. If I turned my head fast, it felt like my brain was still moving when I stopped. That was odd but kind of fun at first. Then it just got annoying.

    The withdrawal was gut-wrenching. Wiz was on the same med and didn't have all the side effect I did, but he did ahve problems with withdrawal and the electric shocky feeling. We came off it together. I apologized over and over b/c I had no clue it could make you feel that bad. He said it wasn't nearly as bad for him, which made me feel a little better.

    I did learn how to cope with SSRI/SNRI withdrawal. Prozac has the longest half-life of any of this type of med. Effexor had the shortest at the time I took it (no clue about newer med half lives). The half life is how long it takes for half of the med to be out of your system. A short half life means a lot more withdrawal symptoms because your body is used to having the med and doesn't have a slow taper off of it. A long half life gives your body enough time to learn to cope with less of the med so you don't have as many withdrawal problems. I took one prozac every 4-5 days for 2 weeks, then 1 per week, then 1 every ten days, and on down until I didn't need them. We did this with Wiz also.

    The prozac gives enough of the med for your body to adust so that the withdrawals are not hideous. I would do that with many ssri's if I took them again. I did go back on prozac a year or two later but stopped again b/c the stomach issues.

    As for Wiz, he didn't do well at all off meds. We ended up with him at the phosp for a couple of days and they put him on luvox, which is very close to prozac but much stronger. It is one of the meds that helped him turn his life around. Eventually.

    I did find it odd and very upsetting that neither my doctor, the nurse, Wiz's pdoc, or even the phosp staff would admit that some psych meds had withdrawal issues. Not one of them gave any sign of believing ether Wiz or I. The literature about the meds is clear, and I don't believe for a second that we were the only patients suffering while on effexor or while stopping the med. That is why I read all the info I could find on effexor withdrawal and on ssri/snri withdrawal and went with the prozac (thankfully I had several mos left over from when we stopped the prozac.

    I have tried other meds for other things, but those are the only 2 that made a real difference one way or the other.
  16. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    Susiestar: But NO there are NO withdrawal symptoms, because these aren't "addictive!"

    Excuse me while I laugh hard enough to puke. Note my comments about Zoloft. I don't remember any kind of withdrawal effect from the Prozac, but I was a completely different person at that time, it was simply for ADHD-related anxiety. And for the transient nature of the stressors, it worked just fine.

    I knew someone who did medical transcription jobs years ago, that person heard on one of the tapes pharmaceutical reps dismiss the concerns of weight gain side effects in psych patients as "...the fatties won't care anyway."

    Frankly, while I'm at the point of OK'ing anti-anxiety meds for Kiddo, the reality I see is that the human brain is a big greasy dartboard, and the pharm researchers and pdocs are basically throwing chemical darts at the brain to see what sticks. I'm just not going there again - heck, I have on my records that if you have to give me steroids for any life-threatening condition, be prepared to strap me to the bed because of how they affect me. Vodka is about the strongest psychoactive drug I'll allow in my body these days. :)
  17. Californiablonde

    Californiablonde Active Member

    I have been on way too many meds to list here. Antidpressants, mood stabiizers, anti psychotics, and benzos. I have tried just about every antidepressant on this planet and was still depressed for four years. Finally I went off my Geodon and that helped lift this depression. Current meds are Tegretol, Paxil, Saphris, Adderall XR, and Xanax as needed. I think I finally found a good med combo but not too sure about the adderall yet. It wears off and I get anxious and irritable. Don't know if it will just take awhile for my body to adjust to it or what. I am going to keep taking it another week or so and see if I feel better. So far it does help me focus and kills my appetite so I do like those benefits. Just don't know yet if the benefits outweigh the side effects.
  18. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

    nerf, I think you need to do some homework on SSRI withdrawals. Please...don't invalidate what we have experienced. Thank you. Here is just one of so many articles about the syndrome.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3024727/


    As for your mind expanding psychogenic recerational drug experiences, I question your information...and really am trying to talk right now about psychiatric medication.
  19. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

  20. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Active Member

    That's probably only the tip of the iceberg.
    I wonder what "they" say about... our aspie-isms, our ptsd-induced (or sleep-deprivation-induced) psychosis, our secondary mood disorders...
  21. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    I was being sarcastic, sorry about that. I too went through the "withdrawal" period when getting myself off Zoloft. The claims of pharm companies and doctors with or without backing from those companies, stating "Well, no, there's no withdrawal period!" are full of hooey. You take something that adjusts your brain chemistry, your brain's balance adjusts to the new chemistry, then for whatever reason you have to stop - and nothing's supposed to happen? Note earlier that I stated how I tapered off the Zoloft, and how I felt as I did so. Brain fog! I can still remember the sensation.

    And here's another odd thing. After, when I was losing all that weight, there was one time where I *swear* I felt like a pocket of the Zoloft stored in my body fat was being metabolized. It was disturbing and really unpleasant.

    Once again, I'll be more careful about labelling my sarcasm and I'm sorry it threw you. That's sincerity, because on the internet we can't see each others faces or hear each others' tones of voice.
  22. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    Here again, I was addressing that on Prozac I had no withdrawal effects. On Zoloft, as I noted near the beginning of the thread in an earlier post, I did. And I was referring after in outrage to the attitude of pharm reps towards the patients who are prescribed their products. Believe me, conversations with my acquaintance who was doing the transcriptions were utterly outrage-inducing. If that's the attitude of the reps and "professionals" who develop those products... :(
  23. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    Just another note on side effects: I don't know if it was the combination of Zoloft and Ritalin, or the two combined with chronic sleep deprivation while I was working night shifts as a baker, but my short-term memory was completely shot for years, and 14 years later while still not great has recovered somewhat. I still depend on notebooks and a whiteboard to keep track of my task list.
  24. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Active Member

  25. susiestar

    susiestar Roll With It

    I would approve short term benzos for anxiety for one of my kids but NOT ssri/snri meds unless it was a long term deep depression like Wiz has always had. I saw it starting when he was 18 mos old and by age five it was part of who he was in his own mind. While ssri meds have helped, we have had trouble with some.

    I would NEVER EVER put a male child on zoloft, prob not even let my dh take it. At the time we had Wiz on it, three other people here had their sons on it also. We ALL saw greatly increased aggression, anger and violence between 45 and 90 days after the first increase from the lowest dose. ALL FOUR at the same time? One mom got evidence to PROVE that the med caused violence and aggression starting at that time frame in males, esp when taken with another med, which I cannot remember but think was seroquel. at the time, her son was in juvenile prison for assaulting her and she fought tooth and nail to get the defense atty to talk to her (said he couldn't b/c her son was 14 and old enough to make his own decisions and she got a judge to make the def atty talk to her b/c her son was a minor) and then to get the judge to pay attention to the information. It was buried in the prescribing info for the rx.

    Once we got Wiz off the zoloft, he described the rage buildup while he was on it and I am shocked and impressed with him for not killing me under the influence of that med. He NEEDS an antidepressant and it took THREE of them to allow him to clear the anger and depression that had taken hold of him (Strattera is an ssri a/d though used mostly for adhd, luvox which is prozac but stronger, and trazodone which helped him sleep and is a tricyclic a/d) and allow him to turn himself around and make much better choices.

    I truly believe that if we had kept Wiz on zoloft, one of us would have died years before things got so bad. Knowing what the other moms reported with our boys being around the same age, similar issues, and starting the med and teh major increase in problems at the same time?

    No male that I love will take zoloft. Ever. Not while I live and breathe. It is listed as an allergy on Wiz' information b/c the last two doses happened while he had an asthma attack and I told the doc that it was a reaction to the med, not that it was his asthma. I don't wnat a doc to EVER get the idea to try it on him. He knows this, and agrees that it should be listed as an allergy b/c for him, the reaction was truly awful and NOT one that anyone would believe. It is the type of reaction that MANY docs around here would say couldn't happen again, so just try it.

    Haozi, be CAREFUL about meds for a kid. from what I have read and the people I have spoken with, the most common reaction of a child who is given an ssri type antidepressant is mania. Jessie was literally acting like she was drunk or high on something when they tried prozac for her. It was sad, but also kinda funny. Bless her teacher that year. We had spoken to her to let her know what was going on, and the third day Jess was on the meds, it got strange. My dau was teacher's pet, loved school, never got into ANY trouble except for sticking up for kids who were bullied. Well, the teacher ALL knew she would hit a boy in the crotch with a soccer ball if he was bullying someone, but how do you prove that? Esp when no other kid will admit it? Anyway, that third day, after lunch the teacher told the kids to sit down and get out a book. Jess led them in a conga line around the room chanting "we want to play, we want to dance" for about ten min. The teacher watched in utter fascination b/c it was so out of character for her.

    The teacher couldn't keep from laughing when she told us about it, and even two days later she was chuckling over it. I wish there was video, lol. We were BLESSED to have a teacher who understood so well. Her dau had gone through a period of depression about 2 yrs before, so she 'got it' and was helpful and sweet and very tolerant as we figured things out and helped Jess through everything.

    MOST of the kids in the sp ed program that year, and the next 2 yrs all had manic reactions to ssri meds. I honestly think they are not very useful for kids b/c kids seem very prone to that reaction. Part of me wishes Wiz had reacted that way, it might have helped him or at least been a nice change of pace. Or not.
  26. HaoZi

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    Storm was tried on Celexa (BAAAD reaction) then risperdal (that one landed her in phosp). She's not on any SSRIs. The zoloft/pamelor combo was when I was in my late teens and going through depression after my (adopted) mother died.
  27. MidwestMom

    MidwestMom Well-Known Member

    Oh, nerfie, I'm sorry!!! Yes, please do something like (sarcasm) first...lol...so that people like me who miss it aren't clueless and jump down your throat for no reason. I'm really sorry (second time I've had to say that recently because of not being able to "read" expressions). :)

    Sus, I can't take Zoloft either and I don't think I'm a man...haha. But, in all seriousness, I know people whose lives were saved by Zoloft, like Paxil saved mine. It's such a crop shoot, really. But I know I wouldn't be here without my medication so it's a necessary crop shoot for many of us. If you are sick enough, you will try anything. I was ready to do ECT and it was MY idea...anything to get out of my years of being stuck in the black hole where the sun was not allowed in. Nothing was working and I was med compliant, did therapy willingly, went to a self-help group for extra measure, exercised and did just about everything you are supposed to do to combat depression. Until I was given paroxatene and clonazapan my life consisted of trying not to kill myself. I had chronic severe depression that none of the other meds could bring me totally out of and I thought about suicide all the time. Only my children kept me here until the paroxatene.
  28. nerfherder

    nerfherder Member

    Oh, no worries. I was a little worried myself, it's the second time this week I've had a touch of misunderstanding due to, I guess the best way to describe it, the assumption that my routine of thinking was either obvious or common. I blame some lack of sleep and the trip stress, but those add up to lack of presence and awareness which is something I try to avoid.

    I think all the therapy and exercise I was doing kept the creeping black fog at bay until it just overwhelmed me - I remember one specific moment, a week before my appt, where we were visiting the inlaws. DEX already knew I was having bad problems and he kept feeding me coffee and tea so I could get out of bed in the morning. So, I'm dishing up dinner salads, and spilled a little - some fell in the silverware drawer, some fell on the floor, and I froze - I could NOT decide which to pick up first. I started shaking, I was that bad, and he saw, ran over and helped. The Zoloft - it helped me detach, but it wasn't a pleasant detachment. On the other hand, anything short of an axe to the skull would have been welcome by that point. So I get what you're saying.

    My mantra was "Some days, honor is all there is." I couldn't run away in any sense because abandoning my kids would have been about the worst thing on the planet for me.

    Contrast that to how I feel now. :) It's a pretty strange journey, parenthood.

    To keep on topic better, someone mentioned Strattera - A bipolar friend who is a walking pharm encyclopedia suggested that may be what's prescribed when Kiddo gets to the point of meds. Are there any suggestions or comments from the other parents here who've had their kids on it?
  29. InsaneCdn

    InsaneCdn Active Member

    Strattera... we haven't had side-effects (or at least none we could attribute to that vs the other meds GFG is on).
    We added it to the mix to get a 24/7 "baseline" that was higher than before - an ability to still "think" when the other meds wear off. And yes, for us, it does provide that baseline. But... it isn't enough to get him through a school day.
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