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<blockquote data-quote="Hound dog" data-source="post: 550231" data-attributes="member: 84"><p>SuZir you can disagree with me, you won't be the first. </p><p></p><p>Those stats are skewed by those seeking help (whether consciously or subconsciously) who accidentally follow through successfully. I've worked in a psychiatric unit with docs with 20-30 yrs experience dealing with suicide. I'm not saying that they might not *think* they want to end their life, the difference is that the true desire to do so is not there. When it comes down to doing it they back out or make sure they're caught out. Once that desire is there, and they've set their mind, there is no stopping them. They go silent because they don't want to be helped, they don't want to be stopped, they're simply done. It's this "silence" that psychiatrists and tdocs actively watch for with a suicidal patient, that and other unusual behavior changes.</p><p></p><p>I'm not even going to get into those persons who use the threat of suicide as a manipulation tool. A vast number of people do this, and unfortunately a vast number of people lose their lives using this form of manipulation because they accidentally succeed. I'm well aware there are those who believe these people don't exist, but I've dealt with more than my fair share and can tell you for certain there are many many people who use it for sheer manipulation. </p><p></p><p>I think the real myth lies in the fact that all persons seriously considering suicide want help, because they don't. And it's not caused necessarily by their mental illness either, not even depression. I think it is because it is ingrained in us (rightly so) that all life is precious, therefore we simply cannot grasp someone wanting to, in our eyes, throw it away.</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that you shouldn't take their threats seriously. All threats should be taken seriously, all talk of suicide should be encouraged to seek help. But you also have to somewhere along the line as a relative / friend of someone who is suicidal make peace with the fact that the decision to end their life rest solely upon that person, that you have no control over that decision or their actions. If they were to emotionally react to it every single time, they'd find themselves over the edge in short order themselves. You just cannot keep yourself on an emotional roller coaster like that. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps for me it is a cultural thing, and I'm not talking because I live in the states. My native culture doesn't have the same view of life and death. Death isn't the end, so it isn't feared, it's embraced. So that may be why I view suicide a bit differently as far as it being the person's right if they feel it's necessary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hound dog, post: 550231, member: 84"] SuZir you can disagree with me, you won't be the first. Those stats are skewed by those seeking help (whether consciously or subconsciously) who accidentally follow through successfully. I've worked in a psychiatric unit with docs with 20-30 yrs experience dealing with suicide. I'm not saying that they might not *think* they want to end their life, the difference is that the true desire to do so is not there. When it comes down to doing it they back out or make sure they're caught out. Once that desire is there, and they've set their mind, there is no stopping them. They go silent because they don't want to be helped, they don't want to be stopped, they're simply done. It's this "silence" that psychiatrists and tdocs actively watch for with a suicidal patient, that and other unusual behavior changes. I'm not even going to get into those persons who use the threat of suicide as a manipulation tool. A vast number of people do this, and unfortunately a vast number of people lose their lives using this form of manipulation because they accidentally succeed. I'm well aware there are those who believe these people don't exist, but I've dealt with more than my fair share and can tell you for certain there are many many people who use it for sheer manipulation. I think the real myth lies in the fact that all persons seriously considering suicide want help, because they don't. And it's not caused necessarily by their mental illness either, not even depression. I think it is because it is ingrained in us (rightly so) that all life is precious, therefore we simply cannot grasp someone wanting to, in our eyes, throw it away. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take their threats seriously. All threats should be taken seriously, all talk of suicide should be encouraged to seek help. But you also have to somewhere along the line as a relative / friend of someone who is suicidal make peace with the fact that the decision to end their life rest solely upon that person, that you have no control over that decision or their actions. If they were to emotionally react to it every single time, they'd find themselves over the edge in short order themselves. You just cannot keep yourself on an emotional roller coaster like that. Perhaps for me it is a cultural thing, and I'm not talking because I live in the states. My native culture doesn't have the same view of life and death. Death isn't the end, so it isn't feared, it's embraced. So that may be why I view suicide a bit differently as far as it being the person's right if they feel it's necessary. [/QUOTE]
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